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Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) draft and proposed WG

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 14 May 2020 18:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) draft and proposed WG
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Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
    >> On May 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Michael Richardson
    >> <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
    >>> The charter is scoped narrowly to only deal with cancellation of
    >>> previously planned in-person meetings. There are other related topics
    >>> that need community guidance — the nomcom eligibility criteria that
    >>> is already being worked on (see elgibility-discuss@ietf.org
    >>> <mailto:elgibility-discuss@ietf.org>), the overall meeting cadence
    >>> and mix of in-person versus virtual meetings in the future, how to
    >>> craft the meeting experience at an in-person meeting when
    >>> significantly more people are remote, etc. But just the cancellation
    >>> topics on their own will require a bunch of work and may attract
    >>> different participants than those interested in other topics, so the
    >>> boundary is drawn there.
    >>
    >> ...  eligibility-discuss is not a WG, so it's been hard to arrange a
    >> virtual interim, and I think that as a result, we have gone as far as
    >> that we can.

    > I don’t think this is true. My understanding is that Stephen Farrell is
    > working on further data analysis to support the ongoing discussion of
    > draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand.

yes, there is more data to collect, but I'm sure that if there was a meeting
deadline that the work would already be done :-)

    >> I would prefer that it be in-scope for SHMO!!
    >>
    >> I also wonder if "mtgvenue" shouldn't just be rechartered to do this
    >> work.  We are basically trying to establish a higher-order set of
    >> meeting "venue" criteria.

    > MTGVENUE has been closed, so at this point we are looking at a
    > chartering process rather than a re-chartering process either way.

So, there is always this adage that we can always re-charter a WG and re-open
it, that makes it easy for us to close it.

Do we really like making new TLAs so much?

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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