Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) draft and proposed WG
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 14 May 2020 14:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) draft and proposed WG
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Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > The charter is scoped narrowly to only deal with cancellation of > previously planned in-person meetings. There are other related topics > that need community guidance — the nomcom eligibility criteria that is > already being worked on (see elgibility-discuss@ietf.org > <mailto:elgibility-discuss@ietf.org>), the overall meeting cadence and > mix of in-person versus virtual meetings in the future, how to craft > the meeting experience at an in-person meeting when significantly more > people are remote, etc. But just the cancellation topics on their own > will require a bunch of work and may attract different participants > than those interested in other topics, so the boundary is drawn there. ... eligibility-discuss is not a WG, so it's been hard to arrange a virtual interim, and I think that as a result, we have gone as far as that we can. I would prefer that it be in-scope for SHMO!! I also wonder if "mtgvenue" shouldn't just be rechartered to do this work. We are basically trying to establish a higher-order set of meeting "venue" criteria. > - Technology functionality requirements for the technologies the IETF > uses to support fully online meetings. This work item is expected to be > fulfilled with one or more informational RFCs. Thank you for looping manycouches in, I think that manycouches has had a very good conversation about what facilities we need online. I.e. what should our online venue look like? > The work of SHMO is expected to produce high-level principles, not > detailed operational plans. Specifications of details concerning > cancellation criteria, meeting technologies, and online meeting agenda > formats and content are out of scope. This is insufficiently detailed for me to understand what details are out of scope. I can understand that we aren't writing an RFP for tools development, but it seems that we actually do want to establish some requirements. The IPv6 as a mandatory requirement discussion would seem to fit. > Discussion of financial aspects > of IETF meetings is out of scope. I believe that we need to have some appreciation for the financial limits we would be working under. > The disruptions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic may have been mitigated > by the time this group completes its work, but the experience of > handling meeting planning during the pandemic has proven that having > community consensus guidance at hand when dealing with novel conditions > in the future would be beneficial. I agree; I believe that we should operate under the assumption that the disruption will continue in a variety of forms until the end of 2021, but that we should aggressively (with twice-month virtual interims) attempt to produce a WGLC document by September/October timeframe. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) draft … Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Mike Bishop
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] New Normal? [ Stay Home Meet On… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Mike Bishop
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Nick Doty
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Thomas
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [Manycouches] New Normal? [ Stay Home Meet On… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [Manycouches] New Normal? [ Stay Home Meet On… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Russ Housley
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Manycouches] Stay Home Meet Online (SHMO) dr… Michael Richardson