Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc

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From: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc
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Similar comment here on what basis do we adopt this. There were serious issues and although a new draft was posted they have not been addressed. On what basis do you adopt this? I thought IETF works on basis of consensus and in my view this was not achieved so far.

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Subject: Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc

Hi Loa,

I don't believe the modification in Section 6 of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc (https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05.txt) has eliminated the serious conflict with the SR-MPLS-based SFC approach as described in  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-service-chaining-03 (note that this draft has been merged into https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-clad-spring-sr-service-chaining-00), as had been pointed by many people before.

Therefore, it seems a little bit unreasonable to hurry the adoption of the current version, IMHO.

Xiaohu
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[mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc

Working Group,

The MPLS working group have decided to adopt draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05 as
an MPLS working group document.

Can the authors please post draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00, without any other
than administrative (filename, version and dates) changes.

/Loa
for the MPLS wg chairs

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