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Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc

"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Tue, 17 April 2018 11:49 UTC

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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 07:49:10 -0400
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To: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc
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To be completely clear, the two drafts I was referring to in my email below
are draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01 and draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00.

Cheers,
Andy

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Zafar, et al,
>
> Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both
> drafts, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to best
> determine the technical details going forward, and how best to document
> them. That way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Stewart, WG Chairs and the WG,
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not agree with Stewart’s points and will response in a separate
>> email. But all that is just noise and that cannot resolve the issue at
>> hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> A countless time, Xiaohu has raised the issue that the intellectual
>> property for the contents in section 6 of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc belongs to
>> draft-xu-mpls-service-chaining. Please see one of Xiaohu's recent emails
>> with the subject *"[spring] For the fairness and justice of the IETF
>> culture"* dated Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:34 AM, copied in the
>> following.
>>
>>
>>
>> This issue was also raised by many during the WG adoption poll of the
>> document. The chairs adopted the work with the promise of fixing the issue.
>> Specifically, in the email to announce the adoption of the ID to the WG,
>> the chair(s) mentioned the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> "That decision is taken, the issues that has been pointed out are
>>
>> noted. These issues need to be resolved on the mailing list and
>>
>> rough consensus need to be reached for text changes in the document.
>>
>> Actually the members of the working group have much more influence on
>>
>> a working group document, than on an individual draft.
>>
>> It would be far better if we now focused on proposing text changes,
>>
>> rather than discussing processes."
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a serious issue; we need to remove section 6 from draft-
>> farrel-mpls-sfc to move forward. These contents will proceed in draft-xu*,
>> where the contents started initially. Everyone will have a fair chance to
>> contribute to the contents as part of collaborations on draft-xu*.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards … Zafar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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