Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc
Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Thu, 12 April 2018 16:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc
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> > NP memory state is enormously more expensive ($$$) than route processor > state. > 100% agree. SR pushes that expensive state to the most cost sensitive components in the > network (the ingress routers). The payback is a reduction in path state in > the core. > So to be practical let's face the question how many services will be traversed ? 1 ? 2 ? 3 ? Is this so much to worry about as far as transport state is concerned in ingress node ? Keep in mind that with current technology ingress may actually (and very often will be) the host not the router for SRH insertion (especially in v6 deployments). In draft-ietf-mpls-sfc you may "win" the less state on the ingress, but you loose big time as now SF need to know where to forward given packet further by properly setting the outermost transport label after N-th SF processing. Clearly you need good control plane assist for it. IMO so much for big savings ... Opex complexity increases exponentially when you start to troubleshoot it. > If you have end to end NSH, then use it. Both of these drafts focus on > what to do if you do not have end to end NSH technology available. > It would be very helpful to say so in this draft in bold :). Anyhow worse things get standardized these days so consider this to be my last note on that one .... Cheers, R.
- [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpl… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Chengli (IP Technology Research)
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Zafar Ali (zali)
- [mpls] 回复: [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Bernier, Daniel
- [mpls] 答复: [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Lizhenbin
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Bernier, Daniel
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Alexander Vainshtein
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… 徐小虎(义先)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Lizhong Jin
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… bruno.decraene
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-… Andrew G. Malis