Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framework
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To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
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Thread-Topic: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framework
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Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framework
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Loa, I agree with this. There are use cases that require ISD and use cases that can get by with PSD. However, I think there should be very careful due diligence on an application’s use of ISD, in particular. Matthew From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Date: Monday, 30 May 2022 at 22:20 To: mpls@ietf.org <mpls@ietf.org> Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mpls-chairs@ietf.org>, DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>, pals-chairs@ietf.org <pals-chairs@ietf.org> Subject: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framework MPLS working group and and the Open MPLS DT, The working group chairs believe the current situation is: The Framework document must be solution independent and say: a packet may carry Ancillary Data using one or both of the following methods: (1) in-stack, and (2) post-stack. It is up to the document specifying the Network Action to specify which method is to be used for which Ancillary Data. Note, a Network Action may not require inclusion of Ancillary Data. Is this the consensus of the working group? Please respond to the MPLS WG mail list. Loa Andersson for the Open DT wg chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls
- [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framework Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Joel Halpern
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Tony Li
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… John E Drake
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Tony Li
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… xiao.min2
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Luay Jalil
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Haoyu Song
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Kireeti Kompella
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Mach Chen
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [mpls] Poll 1: ISD and PSD in the MNA Framewo… Yingzhen Qu