Re: [Mtgvenue] New Draft: draft-elkins-mtgvenue-participation-metrics

"Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com> Wed, 13 July 2016 22:35 UTC

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From: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net>
Thread-Topic: [Mtgvenue] New Draft: draft-elkins-mtgvenue-participation-metrics
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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> wrote:
> 
> On 7/13/16 12:07 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>> So on drafts, I would similarly go for "simple": if you post a draft,
>> you have participated.
> 
> I have a few concerns about the draft, and one of the primary
> ones is that I'm hopeful that "participation" is being defined in
> service of the broader goal of figuring out who ought to be
> at meetings, but I'm not sure it is.

I *think* the discussion has to do with where meetings should occur, based on the rubric that meetings should happen in places where we have participants - "so who is a participant". "Where meetings should occur" is central to the charter, whether IETF participation is directly so or not.

> There may well be value in
> defining "participation" more generally, within the overall context
> of the organization (and I do think it would be useful to figure
> out what the activity levels actually are), but I hope we don't
> lose sight of which problems we're trying to solve in this particular
> working group.
> 
> Melinda
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