Re: [openpgp] How to re-launch the OpenPGP WG

Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Tue, 24 March 2015 07:51 UTC

Return-Path: <wk@gnupg.org>
X-Original-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309A71B2CCB for <openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 00:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RDQKoMJb3sXM for <openpgp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32C4D1B2CC8 for <openpgp@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.80 #2 (Debian)) id 1YaJcS-0007mJ-EJ for <openpgp@ietf.org>; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:51:24 +0100
Received: from wk by vigenere.g10code.de with local (Exim 4.84 #3 (Debian)) id 1YaJYl-0004Z7-Ld; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:35 +0100
From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>
To: ianG <iang@iang.org>
References: <878uf2iehi.fsf@vigenere.g10code.de> <5510C26E.7070409@iang.org>
Organisation: g10 Code GmbH
X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text.
OpenPGP: id=F2AD85AC1E42B367; url=finger:wk@g10code.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:35 +0100
In-Reply-To: <5510C26E.7070409@iang.org> (iang@iang.org's message of "Tue, 24 Mar 2015 01:48:30 +0000")
Message-ID: <87mw32omzs.fsf@vigenere.g10code.de>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/openpgp/BFzd0y_Z_7YNVt1kRha4vP39fvs>
Cc: openpgp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [openpgp] How to re-launch the OpenPGP WG
X-BeenThere: openpgp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Ongoing discussion of OpenPGP issues." <openpgp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/openpgp>, <mailto:openpgp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/>
List-Post: <mailto:openpgp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:openpgp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/openpgp>, <mailto:openpgp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:51:28 -0000

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 02:48, iang@iang.org said:

>>   - The use of SHA-1 needs to be replaced.
>
> SHA3.

That was the original plan.  However it turned out that the still not
finalized SHA-3 is meanwhile considered a fallback option in case of new
developments.  SHA-2 has wide support and is already in wide use.  We
only need a new fingerprint style and use that for some designated
revokers etc.

>>   - A new encryption mode to replace our aging CFB+SHA1 method with a
>>     fast and standard mode.
>
>
> Wait for CAESAR, 2017.  It'll take that long anyway.

I am more thinking of OCB; there is a free patent grant for all relevant
parties and the patent will anyway expire by the time a new encryption
format will get in widespread use.

> 4880 took a decade.  Too long, the OODA loop was bigger than the

Nope.  4880 is a minor update of 2440 which barely took a year to be
released with code ready 6 months earlier.  The major new features in
4880 have been enabled since fall 2000 (MDC packets)

>> How can we get the WG out of the concluded state?
>
> As long as they don't turn off the list, do we care? ;-)

May I read this and your other remarks that you see no more value in the
IETF process?


Salam-Shalom,

   Werner

-- 
Die Gedanken sind frei.  Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz.