Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Fri, 30 September 2022 15:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:24, Stephen Farrell said: > That's fair. OTOH, one main reason for the DT process > was to provide a way to verify that there was (current) > WG consensus for the (relatively many, and almost all Right, using dkg's idea to do everything again to make sure that there is a consensus. Despite that we have had clear steps all the way from my first 4880 revision to ietf-4880bis-10 with (in my opinion) rough consensus for each step. The whole reformatting for the sake of Debian tooling was not necessary but agreed to it anyway when we first talked about the DT. Nevertheless it made the process very nontransparent. Regarding your and my consensus argument conflict: We have developed OpenPGP always in the WG with agreements and interop tests between the main implementations without too much problems. That might have not been fully aligned with the written rules of the IETF. But we have had always running and interoperable code. This very mailing list has always been used to answer implementation and protocol detail questions. We achieved to maintain our protocol in a good interoperable way from the early 90ies up to 2017 when people stopped to listen to past experience. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service. - A. Einstein
- [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Christoph Anton Mitterer
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tobias Mueller
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Christoph Anton Mitterer
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Ángel
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft ilf
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tom
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tom
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tom
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Aron Wussler
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Aron Wussler
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Philip Zimmermann
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tom
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tom
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Andrew Gallagher
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Wyllys Ingersoll
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft ilf
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Tom
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Bart Butler
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Ronald Tse
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] a new draft overlapping the WG draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [openpgp] overlapping draft conclusion (Was: a ne… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] overlapping draft conclusion (Was: … Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] overlapping draft conclusion (Was: … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] overlapping draft conclusion Werner Koch