[p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available

[slavitch at gmail.com (Michael Slavitch)]

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On 8/24/06, Peter Pan <huang-ming.pan at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>  "It is this aspect of overlays, the ability to nest overlays upon each
> other, that makes P2PSIP truly powerful, more powerful than most most could
> even imagine, as the application space changes completely."
>
>  *Which existing successful P2P networks nest upon each other
> heterogenously?*
>
> *Which academic or technical reports support the theory of "a truly
> powerful P2PSIP" with nesting overlays?*
> **
> *When it is "more powerful than most most could even imagine", could it be
> just another (useless) mirage?*
>  **
> Peter
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Slavitch <slavitch at gmail.com>
> *To:* K.Yamamoto <kyara543 at yahoo.com>
>  *Cc:* p2p-sip at cs.columbia.edu
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available
>
>
> WHEN YOU CAN MANIPULATE NODES OF MULTIPLE OVERLAYS, WHY NOT MANIPULATE
> THEM TO USE ONLY ONE OVERLAY?
>
>
> Different overlays will correspond to different groups and regimes, with
> different rules and behaviors. The base overlay connects them together using
> rules of its own.  Overlays that recurse with independent behavior allow for
> rich collaboration based on organized groups with implicit security and
> choice.  Hierarchical, selective or authoritative organization is but a
> subset of self-organization, it is just far more automated.
>
> It is this aspect of overlays, the ability to nest overlays upon each
> other, that makes P2PSIP truly powerful, more powerful than most most could
> even imagine, as the application space changes completely.  Self-organizing
> automated systems could replace much of the cruft and kludge of the
> Internet.  I assert that P2PSIP becomes truly useful if such overlays are
> not only permitted but clearly defined for easy implementation.  It looks
> like P2PSIP will go that way as long as we remain vigilant, supportive and
> smart.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
> On 8/24/06, K.Yamamoto <kyara543 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I AGREE HIERARCHICAL MORE EASY AND DISLIKES MESS TOO.
> >
> > BUT UNLESS YOU DELIBERATELY MANIPULATE EVERY MULTI-OVERLAY NODES SO THAT
> > A NODE CAN SAY "HEY, MY CHORD STACK DOES NOT CONNECT WITH ANOTHER CHORD NODE
> > ALSO IN PASTRY OVERLAY BUT CONNECT WITH THE OTHER CHORD NODE ALSO IN BT
> > OVERLAY", OTHERWISE AUTONOMOUS INTERCONNECTION OF MULTI-OVERLAY NODES VERY
> > POSSIBLY WILL FORM A CYCLIC MESH.
> >
> > EXAMPLE: LETS DENOTE A NODE OF MULTI-OVERLAYS X AND Y AS XY.
> > INTERCONNECT NODES ABC, AC AND BC FORMS A MESH.
> >
> > WHEN YOU CAN MANIPULATE NODES OF MULTIPLE OVERLAYS, WHY NOT MANIPULATE
> > THEM TO USE ONLY ONE OVERLAY?
> >
> >
> > THANK YOU.
> >
> > --KY
> > PLEASE QUALITY CONTROL LIKE BUILDING A LEXUS.
> >
> > *Juwei Shi <jwshi at bupt.edu.cn>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes, I agree with Seaward, hierarchically inter-connecting heterogeneous
> > overlays is more practical than the mesh based approach.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Interworking among heterogeneous hierarchical is more efficient than do
> > it meshy, you can not expect a flat huge mesh over whole world can work
> > reliably, the reason why mesh is used is the absence of a acceptable
> > standard.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Seaward
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu [mailto:p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu]
> > *On Behalf Of *K.Yamamoto
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:16 AM
> > *To:* Juwei Shi; p2p-sip at cs.columbia.edu
> > *Subject:* Re: ?????: [p2p-sip] A New Internet-draft is available
> >
> >
> > WHEN NUMEROUS MULTI-OVERLAID NODES ARE INTERCONNECTED, " the
> > interworking among heterogenous overlays" IS GENERALLY MESSY NOT
> > HIERACHICAL.
> >
> > THANK YOU.
> >
> > --KY
> > PLEASE QUALITY
> >  CONTROL LIKE BUILDING A LEXUS.
> >
> > *Juwei Shi <jwshi at bupt.edu.cn>* wrote:
> >
> >    The NAT issues will be discussed in our future drafts.
> > This draft focuses on the interworking among heterogenous overlays and
> > the SIP-over-P2P architecture in one single overlay is proposed by E.
> > Shim etc.
> > http://www.p2psip.org/drafts/draft-shim-sipping-p2p-arch-00.txt
> >  Thanks
> > Juwei
> >  ------------------------------
> >  *??'????oo:* K.Yamamoto [mailto:kyara543 at yahoo.com]
> > *??'?????????:* 2006?1?8 ???23??? 12:21
> > *?"?????oo: *Juwei Shi; p2p-sip at cs.columbia.edu
> > *??????:* Re: [p2p-sip] A New Internet-draft is available
> >  THE DOCUMENT IS GORGEOUS BUT NEED RENAME AS "A MESHY ARCHITECTURE AMONG
> > MULTIPLE P2P-SIP NETWORKS".
> >
> > FOMULA "Node-ID=Hash(Node-IP)" HAS PROBLEM WITH MULTIPLE NODES BEHIND A NAT.
> >
> >  THERE IS LITTLE ABOUT P2P OR SIP, FOR ONE SINGLE OVERLAY.
> >
> >  THANK YOU.
> >
> >  --KY
> >  PLEASE QUALITY CONTROL LIKE BUILDING A LEXUS.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Juwei Shi < jwshi at bupt.edu.cn>* wrote:
> >  Hello, all
> >
> >
> > We have
> >  submitted a new Internet-draft entitled a??A Hierarchical P2P-SIP Architecturea??. This draft focuses
> >  on the SIP-over-P2P architecture and interworking of heterogeneous overlay networks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This document is available in the Internet-drafts archive now:
> > http://www3.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shi-p2psip-hier-arch-00..txt<http://www3.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shi-p2psip-hier-arch-00.txt>
> >  Comments are welcomed!
> >  Thanks
> > Juwei
> >  Juwei Shi
> > Wireless Technology Innovation Institute (WTI)
> > Beijing Univ. of Posts and Telecommunications (BUPT)
> > Tel: [phone] ext. 312
> > Email: jwshi at bupt.edu.cn
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