[p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available
hsinnrei at adobe.com (Henry Sinnreich) Thu, 24 August 2006 14:20 UTC
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:20:10 -0700
Subject: [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available
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>the ability to nest overlays upon each other, that makes P2PSIP truly >powerful, more powerful than most most could even imagine, as the >application space changes completely. Self-organizing automated >systems could replace much of the cruft and kludge of the Internet. > The base overlay connects them together using rules of its own. Hold this thought for after P2P SIP gets chartered. I believe Michael Slavitch has articulated here (patent chasers: 1st time we saw this) a fundamental new potential for using optimized overlays for various application spaces and to support various business models. Thanks, Henry ________________________________ From: p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu [mailto:p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Slavitch Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:54 AM To: K.Yamamoto Cc: p2p-sip at cs.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available WHEN YOU CAN MANIPULATE NODES OF MULTIPLE OVERLAYS, WHY NOT MANIPULATE THEM TO USE ONLY ONE OVERLAY? Different overlays will correspond to different groups and regimes, with different rules and behaviors. The base overlay connects them together using rules of its own. Overlays that recurse with independent behavior allow for rich collaboration based on organized groups with implicit security and choice. Hierarchical, selective or authoritative organization is but a subset of self-organization, it is just far more automated. It is this aspect of overlays, the ability to nest overlays upon each other, that makes P2PSIP truly powerful, more powerful than most most could even imagine, as the application space changes completely. Self-organizing automated systems could replace much of the cruft and kludge of the Internet. I assert that P2PSIP becomes truly useful if such overlays are not only permitted but clearly defined for easy implementation. It looks like P2PSIP will go that way as long as we remain vigilant, supportive and smart. Regards, On 8/24/06, K.Yamamoto <kyara543 at yahoo.com> wrote: I AGREE HIERARCHICAL MORE EASY AND DISLIKES MESS TOO. BUT UNLESS YOU DELIBERATELY MANIPULATE EVERY MULTI-OVERLAY NODES SO THAT A NODE CAN SAY "HEY, MY CHORD STACK DOES NOT CONNECT WITH ANOTHER CHORD NODE ALSO IN PASTRY OVERLAY BUT CONNECT WITH THE OTHER CHORD NODE ALSO IN BT OVERLAY", OTHERWISE AUTONOMOUS INTERCONNECTION OF MULTI-OVERLAY NODES VERY POSSIBLY WILL FORM A CYCLIC MESH. EXAMPLE: LETS DENOTE A NODE OF MULTI-OVERLAYS X AND Y AS XY. INTERCONNECT NODES ABC, AC AND BC FORMS A MESH. WHEN YOU CAN MANIPULATE NODES OF MULTIPLE OVERLAYS, WHY NOT MANIPULATE THEM TO USE ONLY ONE OVERLAY? THANK YOU. --KY PLEASE QUALITY CONTROL LIKE BUILDING A LEXUS. Juwei Shi <jwshi at bupt.edu.cn> wrote: Yes, I agree with Seaward, hierarchically inter-connecting heterogeneous overlays is more practical than the mesh based approach. Interworking among heterogeneous hierarchical is more efficient than do it meshy, you can not expect a flat huge mesh over whole world can work reliably, the reason why mesh is used is the absence of a acceptable standard. Thanks. Seaward ________________________________ From: p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu [mailto: p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu <mailto:p2p-sip-bounces at cs.columbia.edu> ] On Behalf Of K.Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:16 AM To: Juwei Shi; p2p-sip at cs.columbia.edu Subject: Re: ?????: [p2p-sip] A New Internet-draft is available WHEN NUMEROUS MULTI-OVERLAID NODES ARE INTERCONNECTED, " the interworking among heterogenous overlays" IS GENERALLY MESSY NOT HIERACHICAL. THANK YOU. --KY PLEASE QUALITY CONTROL LIKE BUILDING A LEXUS. Juwei Shi <jwshi at bupt.edu.cn> wrote: The NAT issues will be discussed in our future drafts. This draft focuses on the interworking among heterogenous overlays and the SIP-over-P2P architecture in one single overlay is proposed by E. Shim etc. http://www.p2psip.org/drafts/draft-shim-sipping-p2p-arch-00.txt Thanks Juwei ________________________________ K.Yamamoto [mailto:kyara543 at yahoo.com] 2006?1?8 ???23??? 12:21 : ??????: Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2??/min or less. ________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http:/us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com> to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2?/min or less. ________________________________ Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41244/*http:/smallbusiness.yahoo.com/> . _______________________________________________ p2p-sip mailing list p2p-sip at cs.columbia.edu https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/cucslists/listinfo/p2p-sip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/pipermail/p2p-sip/attachments/20060824/c972cf8a/attachment-0001.html
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Juwei Shi
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available K.Yamamoto
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Brian Rosen
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Michael Slavitch
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Michael Slavitch
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Henry Sinnreich
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Spencer Dawkins
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Michael Slavitch
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Peter Pan
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Henry Sinnreich
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Peter Pan
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Matthew Kaufman
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Michael Slavitch
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Henry Sinnreich
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Peter Pan
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Dean Willis
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Peter Pan
- 答复: RE:_[p2p-sip]_A_New_Internet-draft_is_availab… Juwei Shi
- 答复: RE:_[p2p-sip]_A_New_Internet-draft_is_availab… Sandford Bessler
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Roy, Radhika R.
- Re: 答复: RE:_[p2p-sip]_A_New_Internet-draft_is_ava… Michael Slavitch
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Juwei Shi
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Cullen Jennings
- [p2p-sip] __A_New_Internet-draft_is_available Peter Pan