Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-hall-censorship-tech: move to hrpc?

Gurshabad Grover <gurshabad@cis-india.org> Sat, 18 May 2019 06:14 UTC

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From: Gurshabad Grover <gurshabad@cis-india.org>
To: Shivan Sahib <ssahib=40salesforce.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: Stan Adams <sadams@cdt.org>, Nick Feamster <feamster@cs.princeton.edu>, pearg@irtf.org, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org>, "hrpc@irtf.org" <hrpc@irtf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Pearg] descriptive censorship work: draft-hall-censorship-tech: move to hrpc?
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[+hrpc]

On 18/05/19 2:30 AM, Shivan Sahib wrote:
> 
> The suggestion to include censorship-countering techniques came up
> because of the concern that as the draft stands, it would not fall under
> PEARG's charter. Happy to hear disagreements about that though.  
> 

I was going to suggest that this document be taken to hrpc since it
squarely falls under 2/3 charter goals [0] of that rg. A quick search
seems to suggest that this draft was not taken up as an hrpc rg document
only because it was hoped at the time that the draft will become an
AD-sponsored IETF draft. [1]

If that is not happening (hope I'm not missing some more context), I
think this draft is more suitable for the hrpc rg.

	-GG.


[0] "To expose the relation between protocols and human rights [...]";
and "[t]o increase the awareness [...] on the importance of the
technical workings of the Internet and its impact on human rights."

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/hrpc/pon2lsx1UFjMQCtZpmLUarEZq4Q