Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..comments please.
"Richard Shockey" <richard@shockey.us> Thu, 24 April 2008 14:31 UTC
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From: Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us>
To: "'PFAUTZ, PENN L, ATTCORP'" <ppfautz@att.com>, 'Hadriel Kaplan' <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>, "'Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)'" <timothy.dwight@verizonbusiness.com>, 'Daryl Malas' <D.Malas@cablelabs.com>, 'Otmar Lendl' <lendl@nic.at>, peppermint@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..comments please.
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I think we are all talking past each other here .. this is a charter. This is about what we might do not what we will do.. This is a bounding excersise. What I have now is ************** More specifically, DRINKS will provide details of how Session Establishment Data (SED) is collected, what comprises SED, how SED should be used to properly identify an optimal path to a destination SIP user agent (UA), and the secure manners in which SED and the SIP session data is exchanged between the peering functions. Typical SED data types might include: + Routes - Destination SIP/SIPS/TEL URI Egress and Ingress Routes - Relevant route names, identifiers, and services - NAPTR context and associations - PSTN database information + Service Areas - Individual, ranges, or groups of ENUMservice identifiers - Route associations + Treatment Profiles - Priority - Location Potential SED Data types not in scope will be session rating or other billing or pricing information between SSP's ************** > -----Original Message----- > From: PFAUTZ, PENN L, ATTCORP [mailto:ppfautz@att.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:02 AM > To: Hadriel Kaplan; Richard Shockey; Dwight, Timothy M (Tim); Daryl > Malas; Otmar Lendl; peppermint@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..comments please. > > Putting the Service Area concept in the charter still gives me > heartburn. If Drinks is about more than ESPP that doesn't make sense. > If > you want to introduce the concept of some aggregate later, after > robust > discussion, fine. Not all of us are ready to drink the kool-aid. > > > Penn Pfautz > > -----Original Message----- > From: peppermint-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:peppermint-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Hadriel Kaplan > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:45 PM > To: Richard Shockey; 'Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)'; 'Daryl Malas'; 'Otmar > Lendl'; peppermint@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..comments please. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Shockey [mailto:richard@shockey.us] > > > > No one is proposing a solution. We are describing that we do not > propose > > exchanging data on Collateralized Debt Instruments and Mortgage > Interest > > Swaps among SSP's > > Sure, I'm all in favor of getting a charter approved post-haste. Even > if it means my ideas for "Mortgage Interest eXchanges" (MIX) will have > to wait for a charter update. (too bad too, 'cause a draft-drinks-mix > would have been a recipe for success in my opinion) > > But seriously, how "detailed" do we need to be in the charter > regarding > this data? I think Daryl's proposed data with some minor nits is > broad > enough not to cause heartburn later, while not letting us get drunk in > the possibilities. :) > > How about this: > > [begin] > The scope will be limited to defining the following criteria necessary > for a SSP to respond with the necessary Session Establishment Data > (SED) > for both internal and external purposes: > > + Routes > - Destination SIP/SIPS/TEL URI Egress and Ingress > Routes > - Relevant route names, identifiers, and services > - Attributes affecting route selection > + Service Areas > - Individual, ranges, or groups of user-agent > identifiers > - Route-to-service-area associations > + Treatment Profiles > - Priority > - Location > > The mechanism(s) chosen should be extensible, in case additional > criteria are deemed necessary to achieve the goals of the WG in the > future. > [end] > > -hadriel > _______________________________________________ > PEPPERMINT mailing list > PEPPERMINT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/peppermint _______________________________________________ PEPPERMINT mailing list PEPPERMINT@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/peppermint
- [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..comments p… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Dan York
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… David Schwartz
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… David Schwartz
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… PFAUTZ, PENN L, ATTCORP
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Daryl Malas
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Guyton, Deborah A
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… PFAUTZ, PENN L, ATTCORP
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter Version 02 Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter Version … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… David Schwartz
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Otmar Lendl
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Ray.Bellis
- Re: [PEPPERMINT] DRINKS PROPOSED Charter ..commen… Richard Shockey