Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern..
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Thu, 10 November 2005 23:00 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern..
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > --On 10. november 2005 08:28 +0200 Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote: >> The IESG has had .. less than stellar track record of responding to the >> bottleneck problems. As a matter of fact, I do not recall a single >> improvement which would have had _significant_ on throughput. While the >> transparency of the work has improved over the years, this has obviously >> not had significant impact on the amount of work getting done. > > I believe that it has. > > In terms of approved RFCs, the situation of 2005 is that the IESG moves > approximately double the number of documents that it did in 2002. > ... > You may dismiss that "mere" factor of two as an insignificant change in > throughput. I won't - I have too much respect for the cost that the people > who managed to do it paid to achieve it. Fair point, and I'm sorry for sounding unfair. In my earlier message, I had actually listed successes which have no doubt had an impact in what you've said (genart, proto work, I-D tracker, tools, uptake on education, etc.). Maybe mistakenly I removed that (this) discussion in the sake of conciseness before posting. But, "less is more". [The IESG] doing more (if it's not around an order of magnitude more) may help in the short term, but not in the longer term. Especially if the amount of work done is not static or decreasing over time. (However, I believe the improvements made have resulted in tremendous increase in *transparency* and the ability to figure out what's going on; that certainly could have resulted in dramatic decrease of complaints.) -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Margaret Wasserman
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Gray, Eric
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Brian E Carpenter