Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern..
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 10 November 2005 18:32 UTC
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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:19:53 -0800
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>, Leslie Daigle <leslie@thinkingcat.com>
Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern..
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Pekka, I take exception to one of your remarks: --On 10. november 2005 08:28 +0200 Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote: > The IESG has had .. less than stellar track record of responding to the > bottleneck problems. As a matter of fact, I do not recall a single > improvement which would have had _significant_ on throughput. While the > transparency of the work has improved over the years, this has obviously > not had significant impact on the amount of work getting done. I believe that it has. In terms of approved RFCs, the situation of 2005 is that the IESG moves approximately double the number of documents that it did in 2002. In terms of people who complain about their documents being "stuck" in the IESG, I don't have the numbers (the stats are a noisy signal), but my impression from the complaints people addressed at me through my 4 years as IETF chair say that the difference is enormous. You may dismiss that "mere" factor of two as an insignificant change in throughput. I won't - I have too much respect for the cost that the people who managed to do it paid to achieve it. (NOTE: I *agree* that we *need* significant change. The improvements we have managed to get have come at a high cost to the people who made them - in many ways. We need to make our leadership jobs livable, not just survivable. But we should respect the reality.) Harald
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- [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Leslie Daigle
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Margaret Wasserman
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Gray, Eric
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Pekka Savola
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Thomas Narten
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] For whom it may concern.. Brian E Carpenter