Re: Proposed Charter Text

[Magnus Westerlund <[e-mail]>]

Hi Spencer,

See below,

On Thu, 2020-01-30 at 15:17 -0600, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> Hi, Magnus, 
> 
> I have one question. 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:22 AM Magnus Westerlund <
> magnus.westerlund=[e-mail]> wrote:
> > WG,
> > 
[SNIP]

> > The fifth focus area will provide an Applicability and Manageability
> > Statement,
> > describing how, and under what circumstances, QUIC may be safely used, and
> > describing deployment and manageability implications of the protocol.
> 
> When Mark was talking about QUIC futures in TSVAREA at IETF 106, I asked about
> this focus area.
> 
> Mirja and Brian have faithfully kept this work going from the early days of
> the working group (timeline is at 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-quic-manageability/), but it's not
> moving very fast (
> https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-quic-manageability-06..txt is a
> six-month diff), and I noted that MOPS had a QUIC troubleshooting discussion
> at IETF 106 (in their first meeting after being chartered) (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/slides-106-mops-quic-and-streaming-00
> ).
> 
> I pointed out that this work was in QUIC because there was no other place to
> put it when QUIC was chartered, but now that MOPS was chartered, and seems to
> have such topics in scope, there was an opportunity to move it into MOPS and
> let the operator types chew on it. (My experience as "Spin Bit AD" was that
> operators do show up in QUIC when management topics are on the agenda, but I
> don't think they've engaged much on this draft). 
> 
> Actual minutes from TSVAREA 106: 
> Spencer: Operations/mgmt draft isn't on the list. Huh?
> 
> mnot: Yes, they're important, but not getting enough attention right now.
> 
> Mirja: Those are WG items.
> 
> Spencer: We had QUIC ops/mgmt considerations in the QUIC working group
> charter 
> because there was nowhere else to put it. Now that Media Operations (MOPS)
> has 
> been chartered, they're already talking about measuring troubleshooting QUIC
> from 
> an operator perspective in their first working group session. Maybe this
> document 
> should go into MOPS?
> I understood Mark to say "interesting idea, we'll think about it". 
> 
> Is that still on the table someplace?

So I think this do require more thought and can be considered for the next
recharter that will be more substantial. However, from my perspective I would be
careful to move to much of the management parts out the QUIC WG. The protocol
defining part do need to consider its impact on managing the protocol. That
can't simply be ignored. However, if there are certain aspects of the management
and operational part that make sense to move then I think that is a reasonable
option. 
 
Cheers

Magnus Westerlund 


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