Re: Proposed Charter Text

Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com> Thu, 30 January 2020 09:25 UTC

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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "mbishop@evequefou.be" <mbishop@evequefou.be>, "jri.ietf@gmail.com" <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposed Charter Text
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Hi all,

I'm not sure if solution is much better than mechanism. I believe what we agreed to is to provide guidance. Maybe we can just write that in the charter:

 Additionally, the Working Group will provide guidance to support load balancers in handling of QUIC traffic.

?

Mirja


On 30.01.20, 10:20, "QUIC on behalf of Magnus Westerlund" <quic-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of magnus.westerlund=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 14:07 +0000, Magnus Westerlund wrote:
    > On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 16:28 -0800, Jana Iyengar wrote:
    > > 
    > > - In the fifth focus area, "the Working Group will delivery a mechanism to
    > > assist load balancers in their handling of QUIC."
    > >   First, a nit: "delivery" --> "deliver".
    > 
    > Will fix. 
    > 
    > >   Second, perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't remember that we agreed to deliver
    > > a
    > > "mechanism" for this. A more inclusive phrasing here might be "will deliver
    > > solutions for load balancers to handle QUIC traffic."
    > 
    > I would appreciate more feedback on this. Yes, a solution may not require a
    > mechanism. I guess you envision simply that some guidance on how a load
    > balancer
    > can use what already exists rather than charter a requirement for something
    > that
    > is a protocol change? 
    > 
    
    What does the group say about: 
    
    Additionally, the Working Group will deliver solutions that can improve load
    balancers handling of QUIC traffic. 
    
    
    I have included this is the latest version saved in the datatracker. 
    
    
    Cheers
    
    Magnus Westerlund 
    
    
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