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Re: Proposed Charter Text

Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> Tue, 28 January 2020 23:26 UTC

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From: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:26:39 -0800
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Subject: Re: Proposed Charter Text
To: Ian Swett <ianswett=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Roberto Peon <fenix@fb.com>, Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>, "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>, "mbishop@evequefou.be" <mbishop@evequefou.be>
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:49 AM Ian Swett <ianswett=
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 2:04 PM Roberto Peon <fenix@fb.com> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure I've been a strong cheerleader for avoiding distractions to
>> V1, so you won't hear disagreements there.
>> Since we want to make V1 happen, we haven't been discussing V2 stuff.
>> Datagrams aren't V1 stuff. Worse, datagrams are certainly in the same
>> sphere of stuff as is partial reliability, and so having it now as a 'QUIC'
>> wg draft is going to make the V2 stuff harder in several ways.
>>
>> This is the root of my concern.
>>
>> We're too early to adopt Datagrams as an official document, imho, even as
>> an extension, because doing so makes it more difficult to get the more
>> complete thing done, which we've been avoiding solely to get V1 done.
>>
>
> I'm unclear on why you think Datagrams make it more difficult to complete
> v1?   Aside from a few people writing the draft and this charter
> conversation, the working group has spent almost no time on them.  I also
> don't believe they add complication to the core spec.
>

Completely agree. The spec and the mechanism are quite simple. I have a
hard time understanding how they would cause the core spec to be delayed.

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