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Re: QUIC ossification

"Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net> Fri, 15 February 2019 01:13 UTC

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 20:13:15 -0500
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: Re: QUIC ossification
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, at 12:09, David Schinazi wrote:
> One potential change to v1 that has come out of this discussion is that 
> we could change the 32bit version number from 0x00000001 to a value 
> randomly generated at RFC publication time.

I didn't get an answer to my questions about that, because that seems silly.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, at 12:11, Martin Duke wrote:
> I think we are edging towards shenanigans in v1 deployments, possibly 
> involving IANA action?

The IANA bit would be a good one to track.  For some reason that is lost to me, we decided not to have IANA manage this space.  I never really understood how that was supposed to work, so I would definitely support having them take that bit over.

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