Re: QUIC ossification

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 14 February 2019 18:13 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:12:55 -0600
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Subject: Re: QUIC ossification
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
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Hi, Christian,

Thanks for the reply (which made perfect sense to me, and was helpful to
me), but I was also asking the question below (which may have not popped
out as the thread continued). So, backing up to this note:

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:02 PM Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Christian,
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:28 AM Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
> wrote:
>
>> How about an IANA registry of version numbers, tied to the extension
>> process?
>>
>
> Asking as an individual - ISTM that QUIC might go through version numbers
> quickly enough to make a registry for version numbers a Good Thing, but
> could you help me understand how this helps discourage middleboxes blocking
> everything but QUICv1?
>
> I'm sure I'm missing something here ...
>

I had guesses about why you suggested a registry, but I was guessing, and
thought it better to ask what you were thinking.

Thanks,

Spencer