Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext-radius-fragmentation-06

Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> Tue, 03 September 2013 02:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext-radius-fragmentation-06
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Peter Deacon wrote:
> To be clear the issue is not allocation of reserved fields it is M bit
> set where RFC6929 requires it not be.

  OK.

> Which vendors still use 241-246?

  Large ones.  The functionality is disabled by default, but is still in
many products.  I deal with this all of the time.

> Allocation of reserved bits from RFC6929.

  Which suggests the question: how do we ever extend 6929 to use the
reserved bits?

> In this case lack of knowledge is NOT the problem.  The problem is
> proxies KNOWING something is WRONG and being expected to look the other
> way and forward the information on anyway.

  Yes.  That's EXACTLY what proxies should be doing.  Anything else
causes a disaster.

  I explained why I have my opinion, using real-world examples.  Your
counter-argument is to re-state that this is a problem.

  You don't dispute my examples, and you don't offer a counter-argument
to them.  I can only conclude that you're disagreeing because of some
un-named fear.

  Alan DeKok.