Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext-radius-fragmentation-06
Sam Hartman <hartmans@painless-security.com> Fri, 23 August 2013 12:29 UTC
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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans@painless-security.com>
To: Alejandro Perez Mendez <alex@um.es>
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Subject: Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext-radius-fragmentation-06
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>>>>> "Alejandro" == Alejandro Perez Mendez <alex@um.es> writes: Alejandro> El 23/08/13 02:12, Peter Deacon escribió: >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Alejandro Perez Mendez wrote: >> >>> Hello Peter, thanks for the comments. See some responses below. >> >>>>> Based on the discussion in Berlin we are ready to start >>>>> another adoption call for the solution for fragmentation of >>>>> RADIUS packets. >> >>>> I would support this draft with narrower scope as interim >>>> solution addressing a specific use. >> >>>> Have some concerns with draft as a general solution: >> >>>> Section 2. RFC5176 dynamic auth clients are not necessarily >>>> always RADIUS servers. We have production systems where CoA >>>> client and RADIUS server are separate with separate roles. >>>> Seeing value in maintaining separation I do not favor >>>> Additional-Authorization. >> >>>> Accounting proposal is not atomic and depends on assumptions >>>> about type of content. (e.g long attribute not able to fit >>>> within 4096 byte limit cannot be transmitted) >> >>> I probably misunderstood your comment. We do not deal with CoA >>> or Accounting exchanges. They are left the way they are. >> >> Hi Alejandro, >> >> From section 2 "scope of this document". Perhaps it might be >> best to simply address what is supported and remove extraneous >> references to what is not changed (CoA and >> Accounting). Specifically: >> >> " Instead, the CoA client MUST send a CoA-Request packet >> containing session identification attributes, along with >> Service-Type = Additional- Authorization, and a State attribute. >> Implementations not supporting fragmentation will respond with a >> CoA-NAK, and an Error-Cause of Unsupported-Service. >> >> Implementations supporting this specification may not be able to >> change authorization data for a particular session. In that >> case, they MUST respond with a CoA-NAK, as above. Otherwise, the >> implementation MUST start fragmentation via Access-Request, using >> the methods defined here." >> Alejandro> The purpose of that text is to explain why we do not deal Alejandro> with CoA or Accounting, that is, why they do not need of Alejandro> a fragmentation solution. Removing them would provoke Alejandro> other people to ask why we do not support them. I support retaining the section 2 text.
- [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext-rad… Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Stefan Winter
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Sam Hartman
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Stefan Winter
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alejandro Perez Mendez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Stefan Winter
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alejandro Perez Mendez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alejandro Perez Mendez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alejandro Perez Mendez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alejandro Perez Mendez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Stefan Winter
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Sam Hartman
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Diego R. Lopez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Sam Hartman
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Sanchez, Mauricio
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Alejandro Perez Mendez
- Re: [radext] Adoption call for draft-perez-radext… Diego R. Lopez