Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review
"Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com> Wed, 28 April 2010 14:05 UTC
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> I would like to see how this same litmus test has been conducted in the past for *all* other BoFs, working groups, and even drafts. Point being -- that's a very nasty rathole to fall into. I *completely* agree. I have been associated with the DECADE work, which was just chartered this week. The same questions could have been asked for that work, but weren't. -- Rich -----Original Message----- From: ken carlberg [mailto:carlberg@g11.org.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:32 AM To: Woundy, Richard Cc: John Leslie; Stewart Bryant; re-ecn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review On Apr 27, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Woundy, Richard wrote: > (Let's NOT discuss these questions on the list!!!) > > Is there a list of vendors that have stated that they plan to implement > CONEX technology in their products? Is there a list of vendors that have > stated that they have no plans to implement CONEX technology in their > products? I quite agree about not discussing the above questions, or even considering them in any formal manner on this list or IESG discussions. I sympathize with the curiosity that stems from those questions, but they are quite out of scope of the IETF in chartering WGs. But if others feel differently, I would like to see how this same litmus test has been conducted in the past for *all* other BoFs, working groups, and even drafts. Point being -- that's a very nasty rathole to fall into. cheers, -ken
- [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid comm… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Alissa Cooper
- [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Lars Eggert
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Lars Eggert
- [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… David Harrington
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Kevin Mason