Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review
Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com> Thu, 29 April 2010 08:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review
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> (I also note that Stewart asked about MPLS forwarding: that's a > quite separate question which may deserve more of an answer than > I have already given...) Let me explain why I keep asking about MPLS. The stated purpose of CONEX is to provide visibility of congestion state within the network. A very large fraction of provider networks use MPLS as their primary forwarding mechanism. In those networks there will only be visibility of the congestion state at the network ingress and egress unless an MPLS solution is designed. If the intent is to design a mechanism that works under the assumption that congestion state will normally only be visible at network boundaries, then that should be in the charter. If the intent is not to make that assumtion, then we should have a very high degree of confidence that we can find a viable MPLS solution. Bob's answer to MPLS in Anaheim was to take it out of scope, but that does not address the central of whether the technology is viable for deployment without MPLS support. - Stewart
- [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid comm… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Alissa Cooper
- [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Lars Eggert
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Lars Eggert
- [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… David Harrington
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Kevin Mason