Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review
ken carlberg <carlberg@g11.org.uk> Thu, 29 April 2010 09:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review
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On Apr 29, 2010, at 4:38 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > These are the key questions that initiated the search for additional information during the review. > > Normally you do not need standards unless you are going to get multi-vendor deployments in live networks - hence my questions to the list about who was likely to deploy and in which type of network. ok, so here is the problem with this position -- many vendors will not make commitments until a draft is an RFC. And even then, there are cases where vendors will not reveal their plans until some time after the RFC has been published. And to add to the irony, a number of these instances are when the vendor has been working on the draft. operators are even more secretive about there plans. I understand it and and sympathize with it, but its a business/marketing position that remains out of scope of the standards work. If you wish, we can take this off line and I can cite personal experience over the years with Cisco on these matters. -ken
- [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid comm… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … Alissa Cooper
- [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] New draft Conex charter - for rapid … philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Lars Eggert
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… philip.eardley
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] FW: New draft Conex charter - for ra… Lars Eggert
- [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Review John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… David Harrington
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… ken carlberg
- [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [re-ECN] "Is a standard required?" John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… John Leslie
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Mcdysan, David E
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Conex charter - now in External Revi… Kevin Mason