Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs
Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org> Thu, 27 April 2023 20:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs
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On 4/27/23 13:10, Alexis Rossi wrote: > It seems like using the errata system would maybe be a more haphazard method of fixing broken links over time, since it relies on humans to notice the original link is dead, report that as an errata, and then another human to check and approve it. Unless the proposal is to have a bot that files errata when links die (and then there’s just one human step to approve)? Having a bot filling up an errata is, I believe, the right thing to do. > > >> On Apr 27, 2023, at 1:40 AM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:12 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr%2Bietf@sandelman.ca>> wrote: >> >> Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > I agree with Ekr that this is problematic, but my concern is with external >> > links to other standards. If I replace a link to https://ieee.example/876.1 <https://ieee.example/876.1> >> > to an archive link like >> > https://archivesite.example/see?https_ieee_example/876.1_retrieved_the_day_of_publication <https://archivesite.example/see?https_ieee_example/876.1_retrieved_the_day_of_publication> >> > then ieee.example has no chance to use its own redirects or tombstones to >> >> It also keeps ieee.example from replacing the link that we were using with a >> link that goes through a paywall. >> >> (Which, btw, DOES HAPPEN regularly) >> >> >> I think this would also be grounds for filing an erratum. But my basic point remains that the erratum process triggers the right thing: discussion among the folks within the IETF who are responsible for the relevant RFC. There are several different "correct" responses depending on the circumstances, and they are the right folks to make the decision. We already have a way to indicate that there are errata and/or display them in line. We can use that here, rather than trying to decide in advance. >> >> regards, >> -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Blog: https://marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Martin Thomson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Kyzivat
- [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Martin Thomson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Martin J. Dürst
- [rfc-i] standards for references/URLs in RFCs ? (… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Jay Daley
- Re: [rfc-i] standards for references/URLs in RFCs… Jay Daley
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs tom petch
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Ted Hardie
- Re: [rfc-i] standards for references/URLs in RFCs… Brian Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Larry Masinter
- Re: [rfc-i] standards for references/URLs in RFCs… Jean Mahoney
- Re: [rfc-i] standards for references/URLs in RFCs… Jean Mahoney
- Re: [rfc-i] standards for references/URLs in RFCs… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Ted Hardie
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Eliot Lear
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Ted Hardie
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Jay Daley
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Ted Hardie
- [rfc-i] IANA, too (Re: archiving outlinks in RFCs) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Jay Daley
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Ted Hardie
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Jay Daley
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Eliot Lear
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rfc-i] IANA, too (Re: archiving outlinks in … tom petch
- Re: [rfc-i] IANA, too (Re: archiving outlinks in … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Jean Mahoney
- Re: [rfc-i] IANA, too (Re: archiving outlinks in … tom petch
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Ted Hardie
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Christian Huitema
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Paul Hoffman
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Martin Thomson
- Re: [rfc-i] archiving outlinks in RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] IANA, too (Re: archiving outlinks in … Alexis Rossi