Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 145 Re: WGLC Review of the draft

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 07 January 2022 02:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Issue 145 Re: WGLC Review of the draft
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On 1/5/22 10:45 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:58 AM Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch 
> <mailto:lear@lear.ch>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi EKR
> 
>     On 04.01.22 01:43, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>>
>>         One way to look at it is that the community call for comment
>>         could
>>         surface issues that meet the first two criteria, and if so
>>         it's the
>>         responsibility of the RSAB to bring those back to the review
>>         process by
>>         raising CONCERN positions. This way, arbitrary community
>>         concerns that
>>         don't meet the first two criteria can't get special consideration.
>>
>>
>>     Yes, that would work for me.
>>
>     So long as it is clear that feedback received as part of a "broader
>     review" may shift consensus,
> 
> 
> Absolutely that should be clear.

I suggest that we fold these considerations into the CFC section, as 
follows:

###

The RSAB is responsible for considering comments received during
a community call for comment. If RSAB members conclude that such
comments raise important issues that need to be addressed, they
should do so by discussing those issues within the RSWG or (if
the issues either represent a serious problem for one or more of
the individual streams or would cause serious harm to the overall
Series) lodging a position of "CONCERN" during RSAB balloting.

###

Peter