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Re: [Rfced-future] WGLC Review of the draft

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Tue, 04 January 2022 20:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] WGLC Review of the draft
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Brian,

> On Jan 4, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 05-Jan-22 07:52, Michael StJohns wrote:
> ...
>> What I think EKR is saying - and let me use a concrete example - is that if 5 people that think changing the numbering system of the RFC series proposes that in the RSWG, gets RSWG consensus, but then the community overwhelmingly thinks that's a bad idea - well so what?
> 
> I'm confused. The RSWG is open to participation by anybody. How is the RSAB going to conclude that the rough consensus of the community as a whole is different from the rough consensus of a WG open to the community as a whole?
> 
> I see an infinite regression here. It's communities all the way down.

Isn’t it for the same reason the IETF does an IETF Last Call after the a working group last call?

Bob

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