Re: [Rfced-future] Model proposal

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 08 July 2020 00:43 UTC

Return-Path: <nico@cryptonector.com>
X-Original-To: rfced-future@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rfced-future@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAD43A0CC1 for <rfced-future@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:43:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cryptonector.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ZGST6fkzpYE for <rfced-future@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lavender.maple.relay.mailchannels.net (lavender.maple.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.214.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1659F3A0CBE for <rfced-future@iab.org>; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:43:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nico@cryptonector.com
Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10250100C0D; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 00:43:55 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-22-16.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.22.16]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8C6A1100C3B; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 00:43:54 +0000 (UTC)
X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nico@cryptonector.com
Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.8); Wed, 08 Jul 2020 00:43:54 +0000
X-MC-Relay: Neutral
X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|nico@cryptonector.com
X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost
X-Inform-Bitter: 47a2112b01749cd7_1594169034825_1258462223
X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1594169034825:1647015924
X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1594169034825
Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273A9B4794; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h=date :from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:in-reply-to; s=cryptonector.com; bh=YswJYPoV9E0N6k gDzDndB+OtHJg=; b=BQrPkfI6HF5QTKgC7vrHj8nBtlg1by2wtiDmppOLPReKF6 X6knAD5LqqRTDCvXIe94/MPwtNxiPs3j7wWAH/RYEgS6fJAGaXXm7J+ZVQtaH9Zb 4kVpawz4ymfx7Xy6Ltbu+aMjtIB1xmjExWUyn9rQPfbfHT86slTkg50nnAV3o=
Received: from localhost (unknown [24.28.108.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C503B4796; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:43:50 -0500
X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a38
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, rfced-future@iab.org
Message-ID: <20200708004348.GX3100@localhost>
References: <d4d1cd2d-6df2-4cb4-b63a-f9bba45b48c0@www.fastmail.com> <51b72823-f2a2-29bd-bd88-f63e13522387@gmail.com> <d1f33279-0656-4caa-81e7-aa665d3a4acb@www.fastmail.com> <CABcZeBMdrfjy+kqQ20MS_1fZrNddff+ycwau5VdC5qAFQN2qVA@mail.gmail.com> <20200707174930.GP3100@localhost> <CABcZeBMGxE6+29_BfNEANjZVJ=0UKFYM+pCp_ECsDw6e2aFMwQ@mail.gmail.com> <37d1d244-ae3f-26db-11c7-d4fcfd25a747@gmail.com> <CABcZeBML64rxVC_wmrDoEbkgVu0+6w=4AoQhz-Pg+OiMwEK+9A@mail.gmail.com> <398cb364-1592-f63e-da02-45b08baf1c00@joelhalpern.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <398cb364-1592-f63e-da02-45b08baf1c00@joelhalpern.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28)
X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK
X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0
X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrudeigdefkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjfgesthdtredttdervdenucfhrhhomheppfhitghoucghihhllhhirghmshcuoehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefftdektefhueetveeigfefgeejteejvdfhhefgvddtfeeujeehleeguefhgffhgfenucfkphepvdegrddvkedruddtkedrudekfeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhinhgvthepvdegrddvkedruddtkedrudekfedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppfhitghoucghihhllhhirghmshcuoehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhm
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rfced-future/osqzt0QJWSDlzg-MFrH-cau1omQ>
Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Model proposal
X-BeenThere: rfced-future@iab.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: RFC Editor Future Development Program <rfced-future.iab.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.iab.org/mailman/options/rfced-future>, <mailto:rfced-future-request@iab.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rfced-future/>
List-Post: <mailto:rfced-future@iab.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rfced-future-request@iab.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/rfced-future>, <mailto:rfced-future-request@iab.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 00:43:58 -0000

On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 07:14:13PM -0400, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> We keep a lawyer on retainer.

That doesn't absolve us of having to have some understanding of legal
issues.  It happens a lot that lawyers make business decisions by
default when business people fail to pushback due to lack of knowledge.

Publication is not like law.  There's no bar for editors or publishers.