Re: [rtcweb] Why voting is not a viable process for the IETF (Was: Last day for any additional Video Codec Selection alternatives )

Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> Thu, 28 November 2013 22:44 UTC

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On 28.11.13, 23:26, cowwoc wrote:
> On 28/11/2013 5:24 PM, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>> > if we can't agree on what encoding and decoding formats must be
>> > supported, we can't plug a WebRTC connection together. #FAIL
>>
>>
>> [BA] Just because the IETF can't come to consensus doesn't mean that
>> interoperation won't be possible.  With respect to streaming video,
>> the W3C could not come to consensus on an MTI codec, yet today,
>> millions of Internet users are able to watch videos.
>>
>
> That's because servers are able to offer the same pre-recorded video in
> multiple formats. The same is not true for WebRTC where:
>
>   * There might not be a server.
>   * Transcoding video in real-time is expensive.

The point is that solutions emerge.

SIP has been in exactly the same situation for a few years now and, last 
I checked, it was enjoying quite the popularity.


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