Re: [rtcweb] Why voting is not a viable process for the IETF (Was: Last day for any additional Video Codec Selection alternatives )

Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> Thu, 28 November 2013 22:24 UTC

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> if we can't agree on what encoding and decoding formats must be
> supported, we can't plug a WebRTC connection together. #FAIL


[BA] Just because the IETF can't come to consensus doesn't mean that interoperation won't be possible.  With respect to streaming video, the W3C could not come to consensus on an MTI codec, yet today, millions of Internet users are able to watch videos.