Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture

Hadriel Kaplan <hadriel.kaplan@oracle.com> Fri, 14 June 2013 16:59 UTC

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On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> wrote:

> However, this time we have proposed a time and requested people to
> submit agenda items to that meeting. Don't hold us WG chairs responsible
> because you in the WG aren't providing input into what should be discussed.

You can't be serious.
There was exactly ONE email asking for agenda items, here:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg07668.html
It was sent on May 30th.  It gave a generous 6 days to respond.  Luckily no one ever goes on vacation for longer than 5 days.
Instead, two people sent a response on June 10th, a tremendous 11 days after the request.  Outrageous!  That's a almost twice as long as they were given!

Thank goodness the chairs detected this monstrous breach of procedure, and thwarted the attempts of anarchy!  I mean if people are allowed to respond to emails so tardily, how can we be expected to get things accomplished as quickly as they've so far been in this WG?!?

Sure, an interim for this topic has been waiting for many months if not a whole year, and now that people didn't respond in 6 days but took instead 11 days the topic will be delayed indefinitely yet again... but that's no excuse for blatantly flaunting the rules!

Personally I saw the email on May 30th, and assumed Oscar and Dan would respond to you for agenda time.  I assumed that if no one had submitted agenda items to you, that the WG Chairs would send out an email warning about that, or perhaps even directly email the people who they expected to submit agenda items.


> If you want to discuss this, write a draft describing how how your
> additional keying is to be integrated, what the pro and cons of it. That
> will enable direct discussion of a proposal. The WG clearly are
> opinionated on this matter, but apparently don't have energy to produce
> proposals.

There *are* drafts.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-rtcweb-sdes-problems-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ohlsson-rtcweb-sdes-support-01
There are even powerpoint slides, sent to the chairs the last time this meeting almost happened but didn't.

I think the problem must be that those things weren't signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. 

-hadriel