Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 12 June 2013 15:38 UTC

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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Hadriel Kaplan
<hadriel.kaplan@oracle.com>wrote;wrote:

>
> Oh excellent, then it's a "No Plan" for SRTP as well.  Cool.
>

Hi Hadriel,

Actually this isn't correct.  The plan of record for this is DTLS/SRTP:

Once the DTLS handshake has completed, the keys are exported [RFC5705
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5705>]
and used to key SRTP for the media channels.

If you think that plan isn't clear enough in the security architecture and
security documents,
suggested text would be welcome.  The point of an SDES discussion wasn't to
create an
initial plan, in other words, or event to discuss changing the existing
plan, but to consider
whether other options were to be included.



> I don't expect there to be time in Berlin for it either, since I expect
> that time to be dedicated to choosing an MTI Video Codec.
>
>
We haven't set an agenda for Berlin, but the obvious thing to do here is
not to wait, but to kick of the discussion on the list with a draft
proposing what you want to see; or, as I said below "Working group
discussion on the point, and documents addressing it, are welcome at this
point, if folks do want to re-open the topic in this venue. "

best regards,

Ted




> -hadriel
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Howdy,
> >
> > The chairs apologize for the delay in announcing; as Cullen noted, we
> are evenly split 8 hours apart at the moment, which is making coordination
> difficult.  As it stands, we got two direct proposals for the interim, one
> proposing a summary and one a comparison, both asking for 15 minutes of
> time.   As it happens, both also arrived after the original deadline for
> discussion.  That seems to us as chairs to indicate that this isn't the
> highest priority on the working groups mind at this point, and that
> spinning up an interim to discuss it might distract from the ongoing work
> on dependencies in MMUSIC.
> >
> > Working group discussion on the point, and documents addressing it, are
> welcome at this point, if folks do want to re-open the topic in this venue.
>  We may also allocate time in Berlin, depending on the other agenda items.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Ted Hardie, for the chairs.
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