Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture
Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Fri, 14 June 2013 17:17 UTC
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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture
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I just remember that somebody wrote a draft explaining why DTLS offers NO more security than SDES. AFAIR the draft was just ignored. I'm also surprised that there is no need to discuss this subject. -- Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> El 14/06/2013 18:59, "Hadriel Kaplan" <hadriel.kaplan@oracle.com> escribió: > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Magnus Westerlund < > magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > However, this time we have proposed a time and requested people to > > submit agenda items to that meeting. Don't hold us WG chairs responsible > > because you in the WG aren't providing input into what should be > discussed. > > You can't be serious. > There was exactly ONE email asking for agenda items, here: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg07668.html > It was sent on May 30th. It gave a generous 6 days to respond. Luckily > no one ever goes on vacation for longer than 5 days. > Instead, two people sent a response on June 10th, a tremendous 11 days > after the request. Outrageous! That's a almost twice as long as they were > given! > > Thank goodness the chairs detected this monstrous breach of procedure, and > thwarted the attempts of anarchy! I mean if people are allowed to respond > to emails so tardily, how can we be expected to get things accomplished as > quickly as they've so far been in this WG?!? > > Sure, an interim for this topic has been waiting for many months if not a > whole year, and now that people didn't respond in 6 days but took instead > 11 days the topic will be delayed indefinitely yet again... but that's no > excuse for blatantly flaunting the rules! > > Personally I saw the email on May 30th, and assumed Oscar and Dan would > respond to you for agenda time. I assumed that if no one had submitted > agenda items to you, that the WG Chairs would send out an email warning > about that, or perhaps even directly email the people who they expected to > submit agenda items. > > > > If you want to discuss this, write a draft describing how how your > > additional keying is to be integrated, what the pro and cons of it. That > > will enable direct discussion of a proposal. The WG clearly are > > opinionated on this matter, but apparently don't have energy to produce > > proposals. > > There *are* drafts. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-rtcweb-sdes-problems-00 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ohlsson-rtcweb-sdes-support-01 > There are even powerpoint slides, sent to the chairs the last time this > meeting almost happened but didn't. > > I think the problem must be that those things weren't signed in > triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public > enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and > recycled as firelighters. > > -hadriel > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Vijaya Mandava (vimandav)
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Parthasarathi R
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Michael Procter
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Michael Procter
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- [rtcweb] Agenda time request for IETF 87 Berlin Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for IETF 87 Berl… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Max Jonas Werner
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Parthasarathi R
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Max Jonas Werner
- Re: [rtcweb] No Interim on SDES at this juncture Timothy B. Terriberry