Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec

History has shown time and again the companies with sufficient market 
power will opt to implement their own proprietary and/or patented 
formats, or formats which benefit them financially, over royalty free, 
widely-available formats, even when their own formats are technically 
inferiors.  Take, for example, Windows Media Audio, MP3, and AAC in the 
audio realm (in contrast to Vorbis) and Windows Media Video and also 
Quicktime formats (when, at the time, technically superior, more 
standardized formats exists, such as the MPEG family, though that has 
it's own problems).

Mandating the implementation a royalty free format is about the only way 
to get such corporations to implement it, even if it is technically 
superior, as the above examples demonstrate.

On 09/03/2012 02:23 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 1:52 PM -0400 9/3/12, Richard Shockey wrote:
>
>>  So why, pray tell, did the IETF go through the grief of developing 
>> OPUS if
>>  its most useful application will not mandate its implementation.
>
> So OPUS won't be used unless it's mandated?
>
> If OPUS has the benefits ascribed to it here, then developers will 
> flock to it and it doesn't need to be mandated.  (If it doesn't have 
> the benefits, then it shouldn't be mandated.)
>
>>  SHOULD for 722 AMR-WB is very helpful in integration with Enterprise 
>> and
>>  Mobile networks.
>>
>>  Its August .. clearly the silly season for technical discussions.
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On 
>> Behalf Of
>>  Randall Gellens
>>  Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:09 PM
>>  To: John Leslie; Randell Jesup
>>  Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
>>  Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB needs an Internet Codec
>>
>>  At 11:12 AM -0400 8/31/12, John Leslie wrote:
>>
>>>   Our issue here is Mandatory-to-Implement. It is very important to 
>>>  have at least one MTI audio codec. I could live with that being 
>>> G.711,  because I trust the market to _actually_ implement others.
>>
>>  Exactly.  The discussion has been going in my view off-track into 
>> debates
>>  about which codec is best for which environments.  The real issue is
>>  mandatory versus recommended.
>>
>>  We can pick G.711 as MTI and rely on implementers to support others.
>>
>>  --
>>  Randall Gellens
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