Re: [rtcweb] RTP Usage: Is RTP Retransmission REQUIRED or RECOMMENDED

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 05 July 2012 15:47 UTC

Return-Path: <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3E721F86C9 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:47:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jOmLfxnWR3B8 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A35A21F862A for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by bkty7 with SMTP id y7so579645bkt.31 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:48:03 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OBIKHwbp6LgPeXdYFPV2m3qDfcYWZ3GnTcxTBSZrRY8=; b=SKR2fSnT++Mc7FJNf9hZh6BSiT05Oua29lmmB8HdhFpaBHFiQmlexWu8gacEkvaQe8 ev+INADeq/GCFiRCQtjTtnaPtuwUdbWbGal2/7vZPUndvXCGOqWR4kx4qkpA7TYh4plX oDiQxfg0TbpK7JAuBjPxUUB+PPlujHUfxHj0fvc+iaMmUkjSyT7j7MtAbGOdal1jyDeA XLwWw7AznelR9QEk4MpzrtqJA6ZqpIcWrKjtJwp7anZJ+v72Get3rcxDCJXPatAEOEmo TN6Z2kVsVC8UQV6SDU1VGhyXJs8X9RgT2cUcJmbzijrlyn9eO2a5n0lu1DeR3T3FRi0x T2Aw==
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.204.152.216 with SMTP id h24mr11015410bkw.42.1341503283239; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:48:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.204.66.4 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:48:02 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAD5OKxszD1ia=8SwH0fSFDatfQxAMQ500y7ZYBhXqGgNSj28nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FEAB80A.7040207@ericsson.com> <4E5389B4-F54C-4060-952E-8319A801FDC3@iii.ca> <4FED4E81.7000607@ericsson.com> <B7F8286E-BDB0-4033-991C-A54A0A1227EB@iii.ca> <A8D45DD6-4E82-413F-8978-C6A80B2806DA@edvina.net> <CAOJ7v-1SwvqDrzOGGSwFjkmnqPmF8PVvbOoGrtbtx6qk2T_R-w@mail.gmail.com> <208EC80D-D101-43CC-9ED7-5BA3E2F39A87@edvina.net> <CAD5OKxtyMr4Z-g+o3WwuWULNRhWjSnPspWVX53cTkivE99UoVA@mail.gmail.com> <190327B0-72B8-4F9C-8A37-D932A2871879@edvina.net> <CAD5OKxszD1ia=8SwH0fSFDatfQxAMQ500y7ZYBhXqGgNSj28nA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:48:02 -0700
Message-ID: <CABkgnnWV5c2WfdCoghBYTF1zni_U8ctSqt4AWEMtPGGVSHkVoA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
To: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Cc: "rtcweb@ietf.org" <rtcweb@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTP Usage: Is RTP Retransmission REQUIRED or RECOMMENDED
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:47:51 -0000

On 4 July 2012 12:39, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote:
> Unless we have a SIP end point that supports DTLS-SRTP  and ICE, understands
> AVPF profile, and knows how to negotiate RTP retransmissions and other RTP
> extensions, [...]

I think that this is a little pessimistic.  SRTP with SDES is still a
viable option, for this reason.  The SIP endpoint can implement
ICE-lite and still interoperate.  AVPF senders can interoperate with
AVP receivers unless you have some strange business going on at the
AVP end.  And RTP retransmission is easy to claim support for without
actually supporting (either the NACKs or the retransmissions got lost,
I don't know which, sorry).