Re: [saag] post-X509 cryptographic identities

Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski.netmagic@gmail.com> Fri, 14 February 2020 14:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] post-X509 cryptographic identities
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That old DNS+DARPA internet universe has become vastly more complex with 
all kinds of "end point objects."

In the rapidly emerging 5G world of virtualised networks and alternative 
protocols, we are entering a new universe of alternative transport and 
network protocols and end point addresses.  It creates potentially a new 
world of competitive resolver platforms.  The likely winners will be 
those who know how to find the end points, run the scripts to create the 
virtual network to get to them, and provide user friendly, AI assisted 
interfaces like the Googles and Amazons of the world are already doing, 
as well as larger data centre operators.  DNS clearly will become ever 
more irrelevant.  Antitrust and national security factors will dominate.

Bob Kahn knows that well - hence DONA and Handles.  However, that 
presumes that there is some level of global support for that structure - 
which requires enormous administrative overhead and seems dubious at 
best.  The brave new world of 5G resolvers will be fascinating to watch 
- and established in venues like 3GPP and GSMA.

--tony r

On 2020-02-14 8:49 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
>      > DNS and the Internet created realities on the ground that sovereign
>      > entities had to recognize.  That seems likely an accident of DNS
>      > stepping into a vacuum.  Now that the vacuum has been filled, any
>      > replacement may well require significantly more willpower to establish.
>
> And, the regulators were not paying attention, and they are now.
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