Re: [Slim] Open Issue #32 on draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language

[Gunnar Hellström <[e-mail]>]

I noticed that the introduction of issue #32 introduces a definition of 
pairing.

Pairing is one of the two functions we lack and I have said that it 
needs to be added in the current draft or as an extension.

But exactly the kind of pairing discussed in issue #32 covers only the 
combination of speech and a view of the speaker by having exactly the 
same language tag in audio and video, and I just said in a comment to 
the related issue #27 that the complexity introduced by that pairing 
rule was too high and not needed.

If it had been a generally useful rule for pairing, I would gladly have 
accepted it.  But other cases of pairing that we eventually need to 
describe are e.g. a spoken language and a written language, for use as 
captions to the spoken language. Without pairing, they would be 
alternatives that can be used separately, and that can be the case even 
with exactly the same language tag for these two media.

Video and text would also be of interest to pair for getting text 
translations for sign language, or captions for speech.

So, I suggest that that part of #32 is not accepted, expecting a more 
general way of specifying pairing. ( that can be proposed when we have a 
solution for issue #39).

Gunnar



Den 2017-04-25 kl. 20:25, skrev Bernard Aboba:
> Currently 10 Issues remain open from IETF Last Call:
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1
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> Summary 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1> 
> Component 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1> 
> 	Version 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1> 
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> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1> 
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> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1> 
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> Created 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>
> #27 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27> 	The cases in the 
> "Silly states" section 5.4 are not all silly. 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27> 
> negotiating-human-language 	2.0 	milestone1 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1> 	defect 
> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> 	new 
> Mar 22, 2017
> #19 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19> 	Use Media Type 
> registration template <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19> 
> multilangcontent 	
> 	
> 	enhancement 	[e-mail] 
> <mailto:[e-mail]> 	assigned 	Aug 17, 2016
> #28 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28> 	Examples section 5.5 
> requires expansion <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28> 
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> #32 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32> 	Audio/Video 
> Coordination <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32> 
> negotiating-human-language 	2.0 	milestone1 
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> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> 	new 
> Mar 22, 2017
> #34 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34> 	Use the 
> Accept-Language syntax <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34> 
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> #35 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35> 	Have an attribute to 
> abbreviate the bidirectionally-symmetric case 
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> #38 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38> 	Routing out of scope 
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> #39 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39> 	Syntax Collapse 
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> #26 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26> 	Make use of the 
> asterisk modifier on media level with session scope also for media 
> level purposes <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26> 
> negotiating-human-language 	2.0 	milestone1 
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1> 	enhancement 
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> #29 <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29> 	Include more fields 
> for attribute registration from 4566bis 
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