Re: [Slim] Open Issues on draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language

At 9:45 AM +0000 6/1/17, Natasha Rooney wrote:

>  The last remaining item of Ticket 26 is asking 
> for an explanation of the role of * only. Can 
> we get this added and then close the ticket?

The syntax does not permit a * only, there has to be at least one language tag.

>
>  I'll address 34 separately. 
>
>
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>>  On 29 May 2017, at 23:17, Randall Gellens 
>> <<mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org>rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  At 8:49 PM +0200 5/29/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote:
>>
>>>  Den 2017-05-29 kl. 00:15, skrev Randall Gellens:
>>>
>>>>  I think the edits so far address #19, #27, 
>>>> 28 so they can be closed. #38, #39 are 
>>>> addressed in -09 so I will post that and 
>>>> those can be closed.  I think #26, #29, #32, 
>>>> #34, #35 were not accepted.
>>>>
>>>  This is my view:
>>>
>>>  #26 can be left non-accepted if #34 is accepted.
>>>
>>
>>  #26 can be done with an Informational draft 
>> that provides advice to implementers, as 
>> previously discussed.  #34 was discussed a 
>> long time ago and it was decided that we did 
>> not need to add complexity and that we would 
>> keep the more simple syntax.
>>
>>>   But if #34 is not accepted, we could need #26.
>>>  #29 is ok to not accept. All other aspects of 
>>> the attribute registrations are solved.
>>>
>>>  #34: I have not seen anything about not 
>>> accepting it, so I suggest to accept it.
>>>  #35 syntax for bidirectionally symmetric 
>>> cases - will increase complexity - I would 
>>> suggest to not accept it, but I cannot 
>>> remember that we concluded that before.
>>>
>>>  #32 requires the two extensions about 
>>> relative preference and simultaneity to be 
>>> solved. We have not said that we would not 
>>> accept #32.  I suggest that we accept it.
>>>
>>
>>  We've repeatedly decided to not add relative 
>> preferences (nor any coordination between 
>> media) in this draft.  This can all be done in 
>> a subsequent draft.
>>
>>  --Randy
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Gunnar
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --Randy
>>>>
>>>>  At 11:25 AM -0700 4/25/17, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Currently 10 Issues remain open from IETF Last Call:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> <<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1><https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   These include:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> <<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1>Ticket<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1>Summary<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1>Component<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1>Version<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1>Milestone<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1>Type<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=owner&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=owner&asc=1&page=1> 
>>>>> Owner<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=status&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=status&asc=1&page=1>Status<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>Created<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>#27<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>The 
>>>>> cases in the "Silly states" section 5.4 are 
>>>>> not all 
>>>>> silly.negotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se><mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.senewMar>gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.senewMar 
>>>>> 22, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>#19<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>Use 
>>>>> Media Type registration 
>>>>> templatemultilangcontentenhancement<<mailto:rfc.nik.tomkinson@gmail.com>mailto:rfc.nik.tomkinson@gmail.com><mailto:rfc.nik.tomkinson@gmail.comassignedAug>rfc.nik.tomkinson@gmail.comassignedAug 
>>>>> 17, 
>>>>> 2016<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>#28<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>Examples 
>>>>> section 5.5 requires 
>>>>> expansionnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:2Bietf@randy.pensive.org>2Bietf@randy.pensive.org><mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgassignedMar>rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgassignedMar 
>>>>> 22, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>#32<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>Audio/Video 
>>>>> Coordinationnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:2Bietf@randy.pensive.org>2Bietf@randy.pensive.org><mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgnewMar>rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgnewMar 
>>>>> 22, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>#34<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>Use 
>>>>> the Accept-Language 
>>>>> syntaxnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:2Bietf@randy.pensive.org>2Bietf@randy.pensive.org><mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgassignedMar>rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgassignedMar 
>>>>> 22, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>#35<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>Have 
>>>>> an attribute to abbreviate the 
>>>>> bidirectionally-symmetric 
>>>>> casenegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:2Bietf@randy.pensive.org>2Bietf@randy.pensive.org><mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgassignedMar>rg+ietf@randy.pensive.orgassignedMar 
>>>>> 22, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>#38<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>Routing 
>>>>> out of 
>>>>> scopenegotiating-human-language1.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.org>mailto:draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.org><mailto:draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.orgnewApr>draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.orgnewApr 
>>>>> 25, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>#39<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>Syntax 
>>>>> Collapsenegotiating-human-language1.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.org>mailto:draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.org><mailto:draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.orgnewApr>draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language@ietf.orgnewApr 
>>>>> 25, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>#26<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>Make 
>>>>> use of the asterisk modifier on media level 
>>>>> with session scope also for media level 
>>>>> purposesnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1enhancement<<mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se><mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.senewMar>gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.senewMar 
>>>>> 22, 
>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>#29<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>Include 
>>>>> more fields for attribute registration from 
>>>>> 4566bis
>>>>>
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>>
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