Re: [Slim] Open Issues on draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language

[Gunnar Hellström <[e-mail]>]

Den 2017-06-01 kl. 15:49, skrev Randall Gellens:
> At 9:45 AM +0000 6/1/17, Natasha Rooney wrote:
>
>>  The last remaining item of Ticket 26 is asking for an explanation of 
>> the role of * only. Can we get this added and then close the ticket?
>
> The syntax does not permit a * only, there has to be at least one 
> language tag.
I guess that Natasha means that it is only the description of the use of 
the asterisk that is needed in ticket #26.

I have provided an even better motivated use of the asterisk as a media 
level parameter in a very recent proposal.
It is under subject: "New wording for the use of the asterisk in 
draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language"
It can be entered as a solution proposal for ticket #26.

I think that without that wording, it is not possible to have the 
asterisk as a media level parameter.

However, it is depending on Ticket #34. So, a decision on #34 is needed 
first.

Regards
Gunnar

>
>>
>>  I'll address 34 separately.
>>
>>  Natasha Rooney | Internet Engineering Director | Internet and Web 
>> Team | Technology | GSMA | <mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
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>>
>>>  On 29 May 2017, at 23:17, Randall Gellens 
>>> <<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  At 8:49 PM +0200 5/29/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Den 2017-05-29 kl. 00:15, skrev Randall Gellens:
>>>>
>>>>>  I think the edits so far address #19, #27, 28 so they can be 
>>>>> closed. #38, #39 are addressed in -09 so I will post that and 
>>>>> those can be closed.  I think #26, #29, #32, #34, #35 were not 
>>>>> accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>  This is my view:
>>>>
>>>>  #26 can be left non-accepted if #34 is accepted.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  #26 can be done with an Informational draft that provides advice to 
>>> implementers, as previously discussed.  #34 was discussed a long 
>>> time ago and it was decided that we did not need to add complexity 
>>> and that we would keep the more simple syntax.
>>>
>>>>   But if #34 is not accepted, we could need #26.
>>>>  #29 is ok to not accept. All other aspects of the attribute 
>>>> registrations are solved.
>>>>
>>>>  #34: I have not seen anything about not accepting it, so I suggest 
>>>> to accept it.
>>>>  #35 syntax for bidirectionally symmetric cases - will increase 
>>>> complexity - I would suggest to not accept it, but I cannot 
>>>> remember that we concluded that before.
>>>>
>>>>  #32 requires the two extensions about relative preference and 
>>>> simultaneity to be solved. We have not said that we would not 
>>>> accept #32.  I suggest that we accept it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  We've repeatedly decided to not add relative preferences (nor any 
>>> coordination between media) in this draft.  This can all be done in 
>>> a subsequent draft.
>>>
>>>  --Randy
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Gunnar
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --Randy
>>>>>
>>>>>  At 11:25 AM -0700 4/25/17, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Currently 10 Issues remain open from IETF Last Call:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1><https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   These include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1>Ticket<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1>Summary<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1>Component<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1>Version<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1>Milestone<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1>Type<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=owner&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=owner&asc=1&page=1> 
>>>>>> Owner<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=status&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=status&asc=1&page=1>Status<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>Created<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>#27<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>The 
>>>>>> cases in the "Silly states" section 5.4 are not all 
>>>>>> silly.negotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>#19<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>Use 
>>>>>> Media Type registration 
>>>>>> templatemultilangcontentenhancement<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 17, 
>>>>>> 2016<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>#28<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>Examples 
>>>>>> section 5.5 requires 
>>>>>> expansionnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>#32<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>Audio/Video 
>>>>>> Coordinationnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>#34<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>Use 
>>>>>> the Accept-Language 
>>>>>> syntaxnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>#35<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>Have 
>>>>>> an attribute to abbreviate the bidirectionally-symmetric 
>>>>>> casenegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>#38<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>Routing 
>>>>>> out of 
>>>>>> scopenegotiating-human-language1.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 25, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>#39<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>Syntax 
>>>>>> Collapsenegotiating-human-language1.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 25, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>#26<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>Make 
>>>>>> use of the asterisk modifier on media level with session scope 
>>>>>> also for media level 
>>>>>> purposesnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1enhancement<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>#29<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>Include 
>>>>>> more fields for attribute registration from 4566bis
>>>>>>
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>>>>  Gunnar Hellström
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