Re: [Slim] Open Issues on draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language

[Randall Gellens <[e-mail]>]

At 4:19 PM +0200 6/1/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote:

>  Den 2017-06-01 kl. 15:49, skrev Randall Gellens:
>>  At 9:45 AM +0000 6/1/17, Natasha Rooney wrote:
>>
>>>   The last remaining item of Ticket 26 is 
>>> asking for an explanation of the role of * 
>>> only. Can we get this added and then close 
>>> the ticket?
>>
>>  The syntax does not permit a * only, there has 
>> to be at least one language tag.
>  I guess that Natasha means that it is only the 
> description of the use of the asterisk that is 
> needed in ticket #26.

If that is the case, the current text sufficiently explains it.

>
>  I have provided an even better motivated use of 
> the asterisk as a media level parameter in a 
> very recent proposal.
>  It is under subject: "New wording for the use 
> of the asterisk in 
> draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language"
>  It can be entered as a solution proposal for ticket #26.
>
>  I think that without that wording, it is not 
> possible to have the asterisk as a media level 
> parameter.
>
>  However, it is depending on Ticket #34. So, a 
> decision on #34 is needed first.
>
>  Regards
>  Gunnar
>
>>
>>>
>>>   I'll address 34 separately.
>>>
>>>   Natasha Rooney | Internet Engineering 
>>> Director | Internet and Web Team | Technology 
>>> | GSMA | 
>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] | 
>>> [phone] | @thisNatasha | Skype: 
>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]
>>>
>>>>   On 29 May 2017, at 23:17, Randall Gellens 
>>>> <<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   At 8:49 PM +0200 5/29/17, Gunnar Hellström wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Den 2017-05-29 kl. 00:15, skrev Randall Gellens:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   I think the edits so far address #19, 
>>>>>> #27, 28 so they can be closed. #38, #39 
>>>>>> are addressed in -09 so I will post that 
>>>>>> and those can be closed.  I think #26, 
>>>>>> #29, #32, #34, #35 were not accepted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>   This is my view:
>>>>>
>>>>>   #26 can be left non-accepted if #34 is accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   #26 can be done with an Informational draft 
>>>> that provides advice to implementers, as 
>>>> previously discussed.  #34 was discussed a 
>>>> long time ago and it was decided that we did 
>>>> not need to add complexity and that we would 
>>>> keep the more simple syntax.
>>>>
>>>>>    But if #34 is not accepted, we could need #26.
>>>>>   #29 is ok to not accept. All other aspects 
>>>>> of the attribute registrations are solved.
>>>>>
>>>>>   #34: I have not seen anything about not 
>>>>> accepting it, so I suggest to accept it.
>>>>>   #35 syntax for bidirectionally symmetric 
>>>>> cases - will increase complexity - I would 
>>>>> suggest to not accept it, but I cannot 
>>>>> remember that we concluded that before.
>>>>>
>>>>>   #32 requires the two extensions about 
>>>>> relative preference and simultaneity to be 
>>>>> solved. We have not said that we would not 
>>>>> accept #32.  I suggest that we accept it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   We've repeatedly decided to not add 
>>>> relative preferences (nor any coordination 
>>>> between media) in this draft.  This can all 
>>>> be done in a subsequent draft.
>>>>
>>>>   --Randy
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Gunnar
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   --Randy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   At 11:25 AM -0700 4/25/17, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Currently 10 Issues remain open from IETF Last Call:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1><https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    These include:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=ticket&asc=1&page=1>Ticket<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=summary&asc=1&page=1>Summary<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=component&asc=1&page=1>Component<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=version&asc=1&page=1>Version<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=milestone&asc=1&page=1>Milestone<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=type&asc=1&page=1>Type<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=owner&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=owner&asc=1&page=1> 
>>>>>>> Owner<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=status&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=status&asc=1&page=1>Status<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/report/1?sort=created&asc=1&page=1>Created<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>#27<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/27>The 
>>>>>>> cases in the "Silly states" section 5.4 
>>>>>>> are not all 
>>>>>>> silly.negotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>#19<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/19>Use 
>>>>>>> Media Type registration 
>>>>>>> templatemultilangcontentenhancement<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 17, 
>>>>>>> 2016<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>#28<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/28>Examples 
>>>>>>> section 5.5 requires 
>>>>>>> expansionnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>#32<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/32>Audio/Video 
>>>>>>> Coordinationnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>#34<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/34>Use 
>>>>>>> the Accept-Language 
>>>>>>> syntaxnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>#35<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/35>Have 
>>>>>>> an attribute to abbreviate the 
>>>>>>> bidirectionally-symmetric 
>>>>>>> casenegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<mailto:rg%<mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>#38<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/38>Routing 
>>>>>>> out of 
>>>>>>> scopenegotiating-human-language1.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 25, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>#39<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/39>Syntax 
>>>>>>> Collapsenegotiating-human-language1.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1defect<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 25, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>#26<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/26>Make 
>>>>>>> use of the asterisk modifier on media 
>>>>>>> level with session scope also for media 
>>>>>>> level 
>>>>>>> purposesnegotiating-human-language2.0<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/milestone/milestone1>milestone1enhancement<<mailto:[e-mail]>mailto:[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>[e-mail] 
>>>>>>> 22, 
>>>>>>> 2017<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>#29<<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>https://trac.ietf.org/trac/slim/ticket/29>Include 
>>>>>>> more fields for attribute registration 
>>>>>>> from 4566bis
>>>>>>>
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