Re: [Spud] updated draft PLUS charter, rev. 1 June

Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Tue, 07 June 2016 20:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Spud] updated draft PLUS charter, rev. 1 June
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
>
> 1st para of the charter says “The working group will not specify any new
> transport protocols.” and the 5th para says “The PLUS working group will
> specify a new protocol”.  I think the latter statement is correct.
> I’d like to see a comment on PLUS re-enabling ICMP functionality
>
>
> What does "re-enabling ICMP functionality" mean?
>
>
> The usefulness of many of the the ICMP signals has been reduced since you
> have no indication of who is sending them.  With PLUS you can at least have
> some confidence the sender is on the path.
>
I'm still missing it. ICMP packets have a source address which of the
router or host that is sending the packet.

Tom

> —aaron