Re: [Storagesync] Storagesync Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
Markus Unterwaditzer <markus@unterwaditzer.net> Mon, 07 December 2015 12:33 UTC
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From: Markus Unterwaditzer <markus@unterwaditzer.net>
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Subject: Re: [Storagesync] Storagesync Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1
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> > That works, but do you think this could make the things complicated? It > > sounds like different situations have different mechanisms. Why not just > > make the metadata exchanged, any disadvantage for doing that? > > > I don't know what that means. > The question is why you just keep the metadata locally at client side but not > exchange the metadata between client and server to make both of them (both > peers) have the latest metadata store in time. I think we have a misunderstanding here. We have a server storage that has an etag for each file. We have a client storage that has an etag for each file. The sync client accesses those *and* a "status" file that contains a list of all files + etags for *both* sides, as they were after the previous sync. This is similar to the algorithm described in http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/08/how-offlineimap-works/, except that one doesn't deal with files being modified. As said, this warrants a longer blogpost, but I don't have the time to write one now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 08:17:26AM +0800, Linhui Sun wrote: > > > > > > On 周一, 12月 7, 2015 at 01:36, Markus Unterwaditzer < > > > markus@unterwaditzer.net> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > IMO, etag is designed for client side cache. A typical usage: if > > > the file > > > > > > > on the server has no actual change, the client will use the cache > > > and the > > > > > > > server does not need to send the file content again. While for a > > > storage > > > > > > > service, we also need some some similar mechanism at server side. > > > In this > > > > > > > way, the client do not need to upload unchanged content to the > > > server. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no "true-and-only" usecase for etags, and no, you do not > > > need > > > > > anything > > > > > > more than etags for synchronization. Using a additional "metadata" > > > file, the > > > > > > client can cheaply determine whether local content changed and > > > whether > > > > server > > > > > > content changed, and that's all that is required for (in this case) > > > file > > > > > > synchronization. Sync conflicts are a different story, and the > > > solution to > > > > > that > > > > > > heavily depends on the kind of data you're syncing. I'm a little bit > > > > confused > > > > > here: if I have a metadata file, why do I still need > > > > > > the etag? The metadata file should contain something equivalent to > > > the etag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Storagesync mailing list > > > > > > > > Storagesync@ietf.org > > > > > > > > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Storagesync mailing list > > > > > > > Storagesync@ietf.org > > > > > > > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Storagesync mailing list > > > > > > Storagesync@ietf.org > > > > > > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Storagesync mailing list > > Storagesync@ietf.org > > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync > [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storagesync]
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