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Re: [tcpm] draft-ietf-tcpm-urgent-data-06

Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Wed, 29 September 2010 16:40 UTC

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From: Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@nokia.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:40:32 -0400
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Cc: Touch <touch@isi.edu>, "tcpm@ietf.org" <tcpm@ietf.org>, "iesg@ietf.org IESG" <iesg@ietf.org>, Joe
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I can clear my DISCUSS and let Jari hold it for all of us.

                              Ron


> -----Original Message-----
> From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Jari Arkko
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:45 AM
> To: Lars Eggert
> Cc: tcpm@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org IESG; Joe Touch
> Subject: Re: [tcpm] draft-ietf-tcpm-urgent-data-06
> 
> Lars,
> 
> >> I think that you have hit the nail on the head. Reading through
> Sections 1-5, I thought that we were trying to fix the feature. Only in
> Section 6 did I realize that we really wanted to drive a stake through
> its heart.
> >>
> >> Maybe if we changed the title and added some test to the abstract
> and introduction, this would be better. Otherwise, people may spend
> time and money fixing the TCP Urgent option instead of just avoiding
> it.
> >>
> >
> > are the other IESG members with DISCUSSes (Jari & Tim) OK with this
> approach? If yes, would you consider having one AD hold the combined
> DISCUSS?
> >
> 
> I do agree that attempting to fix urgent data as opposed to indicating
> what's wrong with and recommending against its use is the root problem.
> 
> I already have a discuss on the document, I can volunteer to hold this
> viewpoint under that discuss as well.
> 
> Jari

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