[TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Wed, 15 April 2026 14:11 UTC
Return-Path: <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
X-Original-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB7EDCC9EF0 for <tls@mail2.ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1776262279; bh=R5NS5t/s0Oy9/wWpSsfap4j9zXYippgYdFkrRZi1kOk=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To; b=R2hidkOeDxnzICH874oCGAxOXCLG2gyk4NGtZHc/u1MVz9FuN1+fE4VIEK3T2bjND tlN5MY4FBYBNlIokUUb+TILMz4UTft3JtcUBhXB2DBaxKq1kpWtDH/L/nqOMAazIBA LYkHENHls2j9txqZH6qnZvHT4t+UKNFJZ/Y34AWA=
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cs.auckland.ac.nz
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id njN9R8TcbRvA for <tls@mail2.ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from SY8PR01CU002.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-australiaeastazon11020106.outbound.protection.outlook.com [52.101.150.106]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A291BDCC9E16 for <tls@ietf.org>; Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:10:36 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector10001; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=MY+EdyUVvF8QCpce8x2Z/9ahoHmkT/ofEbZszf1Swy+KX5HdPVBq9bOxr6os1ksXYPUXAE4ln3s5tMDdR+dzmIMhs4EuSsXCor3V5QMYUzKL9svmymj0WwDpTkabO1M2kx9piZ1yiUIZIZezmvtTZ+kfbXGpznDbQ6UotSFaSaeLagIxnJJfhZIJ8ZhsTX7BpbVECq6rOC/D7FMtEOXev6p9JC52y0BXAvRFv1/9B3HuunlFLjh/d9Nxq+y0ui7/tBQtTuu0R3XDOj/QbpAJoRgW8O9W9/pOxVq1p4ublpiadgih2dntDkvww+fILt4wlIElkP7yzbOLcrqsQq3apQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector10001; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=d6PX7gAj3fzS44Z2aUoSLTm5eA5KEd0oJ2gxTpOPFGs=; b=VHqfQWyXfrVM09rVD0TXjEl1eW11F1AYzjzrq2P1aScaRIlPLHtmpw26I1IOis6mFmdZajk/xcXyYXn620dbYhJUkc0SQbXgD1Ns0/nsq4BuMrvQsRJ/dG5eHPd/kf3cmmPZndWYsCoZt49LOXtuMeJG6BAth2UtIRsjeXyZgoA5xf6frPhZpDmq4kQKSvw/QnaHdtb39noDnmEnxbTmwNQzYlZ+txruWCQR3NAgwSA54O85KS1WJ4d3aTzyqPlembn7k+k5O1ovPHNKqHhzSyFsNxE9rDeTJN+z3HA8gqBnFzBiqWYvUTUTe8VqsnzSRJZyCPk8lRAFjs8AzSnAgw==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cs.auckland.ac.nz; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=cs.auckland.ac.nz; dkim=pass header.d=cs.auckland.ac.nz; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.auckland.ac.nz; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=d6PX7gAj3fzS44Z2aUoSLTm5eA5KEd0oJ2gxTpOPFGs=; b=ezY5gdhsVHK2wQIr4p0iokk8nx42JrIIMQPDuKzJDVFQQ7SZFVH0gyRlvUAtcdChPH0qk7wDiGUkL7Q8w+ye2chSdop8CO+sKJ8cCPQ4UA/w2DUNtI8HeCp/E0JeMdiQAcQ157m8USCGceQm+yXPY8Z6NBeJuqCDhhBwgMYZkG6+2o0Ybm5D8azYV8d3PgoVRILkb2Zznv0zqdPC9Zv3+ZywmiAbfDo9Z3vYd2zqct+0N95s5VTy+xqGOu2z7IhRW8pC1quuoKIHEG43pLaTw+PNKck9TOn/UdgytiexcM/Y8AKBQ7e9FlTUz6OVm+AHeoZsETi1GwDBYc/E+R23yQ==
Received: from SYCPR01MB3661.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:10c6:10:3e::9) by SY7PR01MB10800.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:10c6:10:337::6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.9769.48; Wed, 15 Apr 2026 14:10:26 +0000
Received: from SYCPR01MB3661.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::9fa5:dfb0:2db1:f08e]) by SYCPR01MB3661.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::9fa5:dfb0:2db1:f08e%5]) with mapi id 15.20.9769.046; Wed, 15 Apr 2026 14:10:25 +0000
From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: Simon Josefsson <simon=40josefsson.org@dmarc.ietf.org>, Filippo Valsorda <filippo@ml.filippo.io>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA
Thread-Index: AQHczJtVg2BgHnS6fEChQ716xtn75LXgEaiAgAAUgBuAAAEmRg==
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 14:10:25 +0000
Message-ID: <SYCPR01MB36614131C8ED5549B6582181EE222@SYCPR01MB3661.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <16CF0FDA-7263-461A-9F2B-D37DBEAF5DD9@sn3rd.com> <25c8d414-e4c8-455b-bd64-28132615ba75@cs.tcd.ie> <68f49a81-dd2c-4bea-896a-87da3e6aff68@tu-dresden.de> <CAMjbhoWwvfkfScpbf4-5PBzk__qb+6M4ZzAOba64kk9aXBba5g@mail.gmail.com> <d47a34ab-7fb9-4687-84aa-a5fa6bcf6a6c@tu-dresden.de> <2971d01a-89e3-43d3-a01d-b9c17b178763@amongbytes.com> <692bb582-ab7e-4d6b-aa75-ac5d93228bb2@tu-dresden.de> <DS4PPFA08475C7DBE27468E40C672197481C1242@DS4PPFA08475C7D.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <LV0PR21MB6623B48B1F3A05D745F5A79D8C242@LV0PR21MB6623.namprd21.prod.outlook.com> <ad0svakv_WUM3btz@chardros.imrryr.org> <CAF8qwaBU_YHWX2MsWeeaOJ8sutR1wMozvbiTJF5kyvTE8YjWWA@mail.gmail.com> <CACsn0c=GDta824UF7uJ3nw_4U_rT=XhYOGHRemMWa+2AdbsiAg@mail.gmail.com> <3a16c7c4-345e-48ce-af70-a3bf503c8caf@app.fastmail.com> <CACf5n7_0hdeHJXXucva9pb=+pjhcgveHRpjA8XAcXB3LsYUvaw@mail.gmail.com> <CAFpG3gcC+UfO7E=ADGhwr2En5PwipZiq_r6_RdqvmT-5nnh2jw@mail.gmail.com> <d69ba150-0257-4e64-9abb-9229d03a03a6@app.fastmail.com> <87a4v42urw.fsf@josefsson.org>
In-Reply-To: <87a4v42urw.fsf@josefsson.org>
Accept-Language: en-NZ, en-US
Content-Language: en-NZ
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
msip_labels:
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=cs.auckland.ac.nz;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SYCPR01MB3661:EE_|SY7PR01MB10800:EE_
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 8f3785c1-a4fd-46cb-1938-08de9af8bd70
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;ARA:13230040|10070799003|1800799024|786006|366016|376014|38070700021|18002099003|56012099003|22082099003;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255;CTRY:;LANG:en;SCL:1;SRV:;IPV:NLI;SFV:NSPM;H:SYCPR01MB3661.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com;PTR:;CAT:NONE;SFS:(13230040)(10070799003)(1800799024)(786006)(366016)(376014)(38070700021)(18002099003)(56012099003)(22082099003);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 2
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-1: Z2FiJbVVyfxmDg==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: cs.auckland.ac.nz
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SYCPR01MB3661.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8f3785c1-a4fd-46cb-1938-08de9af8bd70
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Apr 2026 14:10:25.3914 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: d1b36e95-0d50-42e9-958f-b63fa906beaa
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: UbbKmRH47DnaWzhemS8XvUINBAWBjeGPThnHeaxSlrRpLYwa3vA2/cBJvVFk1KhYKBasY+PjwCiffV9vxRIdSRyBitq9gXkhiwkY1nqAT0I=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SY7PR01MB10800
Message-ID-Hash: HTLTLKXQMDY5VZWDJEQY2UE2BPL7UUHB
X-Message-ID-Hash: HTLTLKXQMDY5VZWDJEQY2UE2BPL7UUHB
X-MailFrom: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tls.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
Subject: [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/kftjsP73ylAIaK-wHQ-m1kb9phI>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tls>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:tls-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:tls-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:tls-leave@ietf.org>
Simon Josefsson <simon=40josefsson.org@dmarc.ietf.org> writes: >If your protocol allows a man-in-the-middle attack, it is REALLY bad. How many real-world MITM attacks on crypto protocols have there been? By MITM I don't mean swapping in a bogus cert for which the signature will verify just fine whether it's hybrid or not, but real break-the-crypto MITM attacks. Hint: Some years ago many major sites (Apple, Amazon, eBay, HP, PayPal, Twitter, and many more) were using keys as weak as 384 bits for DKIM signing. One third of all DKIM-using domains were using keys so weak a dedicated individual could have broken them. Despite the fact that the protocol, or at least the way it was used, allowed a REALLY bad attack, no-one did. So perhaps a better way of phrasing it is: If your protocol allows a man-in-the-middle attack, it's a real pearl-clutcher. Peter.
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-DSA i… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Working Group Last Call for … Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Corey Bonnell
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Robert Relyea
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jack Grigg
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Joshua
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Michael StJohns
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Tim Hudson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Robert Relyea
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Joshua
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Robert Relyea
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Falko Strenzke
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Christopher Patton
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Peter C
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Mike Ounsworth
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Composite ML-DSA John Gray
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Falko Strenzke
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Hal Murray
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Mike Ounsworth
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jack Grigg
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Dennis Jackson
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nicola Tuveri
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nicola Tuveri
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… tim.beckmann
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ludovic Perret
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Hammell, Jonathan F - [he/il]
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nicola Tuveri
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… nhgajco@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Falko Strenzke
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… tim.beckmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA tim.beckmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Joseph Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Nicola Tuveri
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… DA PIEVE Fabiana
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… tim.beckmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Richard Barnes
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Tanja Lange
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Jacob Appelbaum
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Michael StJohns
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Working Group Last Call for U… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Ackermann, Michael
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Michael StJohns
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Working Group Last Call … David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Marc Penninga
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Use of ML-D… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Composite ML-DSA John Mattsson