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As the draft mentions:

   The use of transport layer authentication and encryption exposes a

   tussle between middlebox vendors, operators, applications developers

   and users

Much of the draft reads like a lamentation of the horrible consequences
of encrypting transport headers, which looks very much like embracing
the point of view of the middlebox vendors. Expressing that point of
view is of course fine, and it might be enough to change the title,
abstract and introduction to reflect that this is an opinion piece. But
as a transport working group document I would like something a bit more
balanced. It should spend more time acknowledging the ossification and
privacy issues. It should ideally lay the ground work for alternative
management solutions, such as controlled exposure like the spin bit in
QUIC, IP header information, or standardized logs like the QLOG effort.

-- Christian Huitema

On 10/8/2019 2:08 PM, Black, David wrote:
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> FYI – some OPS area and SEC area eyes on this TSVWG draft now (during
> WGLC) would be a good thing ;-).
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> Thanks, --David (TSVWG co-chair)
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> *From:* Black, David <david.black@emc.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2019 5:06 PM
> *To:* tsvwg@ietf.org
> *Cc:* Black, David
> *Subject:* WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23
> October 2019
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> This email announces a TSVWG Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on:
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> The Impact of Transport Header Confidentiality on Network Operation and
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>                        Evolution of the Internet
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>                  draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt/
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> This draft is intended to become an Informational RFC.
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> This WGLC will run through the end of the day on Wednesday, October 23.
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> That should allow time before the Singapore draft submission cutoff for
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> the authors to revise the draft with any changes that result from WGLC.
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> Comments should be sent to the tsvwg@ietf.org <mailto:tsvwg@ietf.org>
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> editorial comments may be sent directly to the authors. Please cc: the
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> WG chairs at tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org>  if
> you would like the chairs to
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> track such editorial comments as part of the WGLC process.
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> No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on this draft.
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> Thanks,
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> David, Gorry and Wes
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> (TSVWG Co-Chairs)
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Re: [tsvwg] [saag] TSVWG WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-transport-encrypt-08, closes 23 October 2019