Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft
Jon Knight <jon@net.lut.ac.uk> Wed, 16 April 1997 10:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft
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On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS wrote: > Using the HotJava browser yesterday to view > > http://www.alis.com:8085/~yergeau/url_utf8.htm > > I was able to manually select the "View"->"Character Set" -> "Other" -> UTF8 > and see the accented characters in the document text as well as in the > presentation of the URL. This worked for the 8bit UTF8 bytes, but was > not implemented for the %HH escaped characters. This would be a very > useful feature to support in an I18N browser. A few more datapoints on the above URL: * Netscape Navigator 3.01 for X11 running under SunOS 4.1.4 (as are all the tests below) displays both that page and the two pages linked to from it (or is it one page with two different URLs? Whatever - they both get displayed). One of the URLs has lots of accented characters in which get displayed in the URL window, the above document's text and in the bottom left hand corner when the cursor is over the appropriate URL in the above document (Netscape is set to have a document encoding of "Japanese (auto-detect)" by the way). * X Mosaic 2.7b5 doesn't work with the above page or the pages linked to from it. As far as I can tell, this is because there is a charset attribute following the "text/html" on the Content-Type header; I think this is confusing it. * Telnet (yes, I use telnet to get HTML pages once in a while) can retrieve the page linked to above. However cut'n'paste under X11R6 doesn't cut'n'paste the non-ASCII characters for me so the I18N'ed URL can't be cut'n'pasted (either from Netscape's URL window or from the document that telnet returned in an xterm). I notice that the web server is returning the charset attribute even though I'm making an HTTP/1.0 request. Is that right? I thought thinks like charset were an HTTP/1.1 thing? * Lynx version 2.7.1 blows up spectacularly on the above URL, most likely because of the charset parameter on the Content-Type header again (it complains that "Start file could not be found or is not text/html or text/plain" after dumping the raw HTML out to the screen). The document with the %-escaped URL suffers the same fate but the I18N version can't even be cut'n'pasted and I've no idea how to generate all the accented characters on my keyboard. * The CERN line mode browser v3.0 blew up on the above URL with a failed system call after complaining that it couldn't display it. As I say folks, just some more datapoints, interpret as you will. Tatty bye, Jim'll -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon "Jim'll" Knight, Researcher, Sysop and General Dogsbody, Dept. Computer Studies, Loughborough University of Technology, Leics., ENGLAND. LE11 3TU. * I've found I now dream in Perl. More worryingly, I enjoy those dreams. *
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Foteos Macrides
- leading ".." (Re: revised ...) Gregory J. Woodhouse
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Francois Yergeau
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Francois Yergeau
- Transcribing non-ascii URLs [was: revised "generi… Dan Connolly
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Edward Cherlin
- Re: Transcribing non-ascii URLs [was: revised "ge… Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Dan Oscarsson
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft John C Klensin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Chris Newman
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Chris Newman
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Chris Newman
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Edward Cherlin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Harald.T.Alvestrand
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Jon Knight
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Jon Knight
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft John C Klensin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Ron Daniel, Jr.
- Re: Transcribing non-ascii URLs [was: revised "ge… Bert Bos
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS
- A workable alternative to "hex-encoded UTF-8 enco… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft John C Klensin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Harald.T.Alvestrand
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Chris Newman
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: A workable alternative to "hex-encoded UTF-8 … Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Jonathan Rosenne
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Edward Cherlin
- Opaque right hand sides (was: Re: revised "generi… John C Klensin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Karen R. Sollins
- UTF-8 and URLs Larry Masinter
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Dan Connolly
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Chris Newman
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs John C Klensin
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Francois Yergeau
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Dan Connolly
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Edward Cherlin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft John C Klensin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Keld J|rn Simonsen
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Martin J. Duerst
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Francois Yergeau
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Dan Connolly
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- New proposal (was Re: UTF-8 and URLs) Edward Cherlin
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: UTF-8 and URLs Martin J. Duerst
- initial "relative-looking" elements. Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Edward Cherlin
- Re: initial "relative-looking" elements. Roy T. Fielding