Re: [urn] [apps-discuss] URNs are not URIs (another look at RFC 3986)

Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org> Fri, 18 April 2014 15:20 UTC

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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
wrote:
> We can certainly use URIs. The issue here is whether we claim it has
> 'name like' semantics or 'locator like'.

Whether it's a name or a locator is not an intrinsic property of the
string, but depends solely upon the presence or absence of a local
resolution mechanism for that string.

A string that *you* might *today* call a "name", might already be a
"locator" to somebody who's rigged a private resolution service. Ten years
from now, that "name" might be a "locator" to all of us.

Mark.