Re: [urn] [apps-discuss] URNs are not URIs (another look at RFC 3986)

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Sat, 19 April 2014 21:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [urn] [apps-discuss] URNs are not URIs (another look at RFC 3986)
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The inverse way of looking this is that identity-related functions can use
anything they want since they can treat it opaquely ... and do ... while
location-related functions are limited to tokens they understand the
semantics of.
On Apr 18, 2014 11:20 AM, "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org> wrote:

>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We can certainly use URIs. The issue here is whether we claim it has
> > 'name like' semantics or 'locator like'.
>
> Whether it's a name or a locator is not an intrinsic property of the
> string, but depends solely upon the presence or absence of a local
> resolution mechanism for that string.
>
> A string that *you* might *today* call a "name", might already be a
> "locator" to somebody who's rigged a private resolution service. Ten years
> from now, that "name" might be a "locator" to all of us.
>
> Mark.
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