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Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-collink-v6ops-ent64pd-01.txt

Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Thu, 12 January 2023 10:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-collink-v6ops-ent64pd-01.txt
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Hi,

On 21/12/22 22:17, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 6:26 AM Martin Huněk <martin.hunek@tul.cz 
> <mailto:martin.hunek@tul.cz>> wrote:
> 
>     Also, as ISP, I don't care about what customers are connecting to
>     the network. However, in the enterprise network, I really do care.
> 
> 
> If the admin wants to prevent their users from extending the network, 
> then you need to control those users' devices. 

 From the point of view of the network, if youŕe nat'ing, you haven't 
extended the network. Whether it's multiple VMs or actually multiple 
physical devices is mostly irrelevant. Somebody "owns" the IP address, 
and takes responsibility and/or blame for everything behind it.


> You cannot control the number of devices by controlling the number of 
> addresses. NAT broke that 20 years ago.

Agreed on this.

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Fernando Gont
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